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rainORshine
Post #61
Wednesday February 4, 2015 8:40pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from 2tone

Wait how is making the second round of the WC historically unimpressive? The USMNT made it to the QF's once in the modern era. And made it to the Round of 16 a grand total of 4 times since 1994.

1990 finished 24 out of 24 teams.
1994 round of 16 as one of the best third place teams.
1998 Finished 24 out of 24 teams.
2002 QF's.
2006 ousted in the group. Finished one of the worst teams in that tournament.
2010 Round of 16
2014 Round of 16

Historically unimpressive is hyperbole.

Taking Germany to the semis in Germany was seen by the fans and the DFB as a very good success. Historically a failure? By whose standards? Because the DFB and the fans didn't think so.

That's cool that you want to hate. You have been hating on Jurgen for a few years now, but your hyperbole astounds me.


this is where expectation are sadly low for so many USMNT fans

no it wont happen every time, but at this point the EXPECTATION is AT LEAST Ro16. ANYONE in US Soccer would agree with that. no one is IMPRESSED anymore with a Ro16... because its an EXPECTATION

Germany won WCs before and after JK - finalists in 02, semi-finalists in 10, champs in 14. no one in Germany is giving JK credit for current success. site sources if you have any. in the middle of that germany lost to completely beatable italian team AT HOME in semi

HISTORICALLY that is disappointing

these are facts, but please continue to make a fool of yourself...

dolcem
Post #62
Wednesday February 4, 2015 8:54pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from navi8132

Dolcem- you spend how long writing that post? I am 27 years old, I work in the pharmaceutical industry (oncology clinical trials). As far as mentioning APs and GPA in the way I did, this was the way every student discussed it in the year 2005 in my area. That's the way it was done. The fact that you are trying to second guess something THAT OCCURED ALREADY- I mean what the fuck? That's the way it was done by every student when describing high school achievement. I could describe actual grades on the AP exams, but I did not bc few ever did. GPA- that was the term we used in my area in regard to calculating final average of all classes (unweighted), which my high school did.

I am finished with this thread. No more back and forth. Enough.


Comedic gold. If you're 27 years old and work in pharmaceuticals, you would not list how many AP classes you took back in high school to impress us with your intelligence. Moreover, AP tests are not "graded," they are scored (when you go to high school, you'll learn the difference), and thus no one calls them "grades." And yes, students refer to these scores when trying to list their achievements because simply taking the class itself is no achievement.

GPA is the same in EVERY high school in America (some weigh it, but then you clearly didn't understand that either because you cannot "weigh" a percentage in that sense). Every high school student who has ever received a report card knows what it means, but you clearly did not understand it. Thus it is obvious that you have never received a high school report card.

You know how else I know that you're lying? Because starting in 2005, the SAT became a three part test with the writing section added. Since then, it has been scored out of 2400.

YOU'RE A MIDDLE SCHOOLER.
GET A CLUB TEAM
joey11
Post #63
Wednesday February 4, 2015 9:32pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 283
Original post from navi8132

I am more fed up with Jurgen right now than I was with that raging lunatic Sarah Palin during her VP run. That's an incredible height. I am beyond self control right now. He is making a mockery of the team I love.
Now I understand where your stupidity stems from! Why bring Palin into a soccer discussion or politics in general? If you want to bring political figures to slam as lunatics you don't need to go to 2008 to find one (on both sides!)! Please go to a political blog if you want to interject politics, otherwise please stick to soccer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

coverby
Post #64
Wednesday February 4, 2015 9:45pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 501
Original post from rainORshine

this is where expectation are sadly low for so many USMNT fans

no it wont happen every time, but at this point the EXPECTATION is AT LEAST Ro16. ANYONE in US Soccer would agree with that. no one is IMPRESSED anymore with a Ro16... because its an EXPECTATION

Germany won WCs before and after JK - finalists in 02, semi-finalists in 10, champs in 14. no one in Germany is giving JK credit for current success. site sources if you have any. in the middle of that germany lost to completely beatable italian team AT HOME in semi

HISTORICALLY that is disappointing

these are facts, but please continue to make a fool of yourself...


The facts you picked for yourself. He was chosen since they bowed out in the group stage of Euro 2004. I am sure you forgot to include that but you can add that to your 'facts'.

And yes no one is giving JK credit not even Loew: http://www.socceramerica.com/article/59377/lo...

You usually have something smart to say or at least backed up but this whole thread you have been 'lunancy'. Maybe the title is fitting.

dunlopp9987
Post #65
Wednesday February 4, 2015 10:01pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,647
Original post from coverby

The facts you picked for yourself. He was chosen since they bowed out in the group stage of Euro 2004. I am sure you forgot to include that but you can add that to your 'facts'.

And yes no one is giving JK credit not even Loew: http://www.socceramerica.com/article/59377/lo...

You usually have something smart to say or at least backed up but this whole thread you have been 'lunancy'. Maybe the title is fitting.


No no no!! Don't use logic or actual quotes to back something up!! Rain still won't believe you!
COYB!!
hamsamwich
Post #66
Wednesday February 4, 2015 10:54pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,413
They lost on a great goal in the 118' of an extra time semi final against Italy. Lots of people give Jurgen credit. He picked lahm sweinsteiger muller etc - all those guys when they were young and there were plenty of older Germans available. The core of their future success. He revamped the whole youth system in connection with the German fa. Sorry if you don't like the guy. Personally my favorite coach was Bradley. Professionally it was bruce arena. Even Jurgen knows he is just getting us from point A to point B. If we made the semifinal in Russia- which is the goal according to Jurgen would be a huge success.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #67
Wednesday February 4, 2015 11:18pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
...slinks into thread with lawn chair and bag of chips,
sits, listens, eats chips, tries not to snicker too loudly


Know Nothing
Post #68
Wednesday February 4, 2015 11:33pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,816
Original post from mmee

...slinks into thread with lawn chair and bag of chips,
sits, listens, eats chips, tries not to snicker too loudly


What...no beer?!

admsghs27
Post #69
Thursday February 5, 2015 12:49am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from hamsamwich

They lost on a great goal in the 118' of an extra time semi final against Italy. Lots of people give Jurgen credit. He picked lahm sweinsteiger muller etc - all those guys when they were young and there were plenty of older Germans available. The core of their future success. He revamped the whole youth system in connection with the German fa. Sorry if you don't like the guy. Personally my favorite coach was Bradley. Professionally it was bruce arena. Even Jurgen knows he is just getting us from point A to point B. If we made the semifinal in Russia- which is the goal according to Jurgen would be a huge success.


Im sorry but if Joachim Lw was at head coach i have no doubt they would of Won the WC in 2006. As for making the Semis in 2018 is a realistic goal we just cant be switching up players and lineups for 4 years and go into the WC with no idea who would be starting i think we need a Solid 20 player group that plays or gets called into every game from now on to the WC.

rainORshine
Post #70
Thursday February 5, 2015 1:34am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from coverby

The facts you picked for yourself. He was chosen since they bowed out in the group stage of Euro 2004. I am sure you forgot to include that but you can add that to your 'facts'.

And yes no one is giving JK credit not even Loew: http://www.socceramerica.com/article/59377/lo...

You usually have something smart to say or at least backed up but this whole thread you have been 'lunancy'. Maybe the title is fitting.


was waiting for the jogi loew reference. slow clap for you.

obviously needed to include the word OBJECTIVE before source for the not-too-clever out there

rainORshine
Post #71
Thursday February 5, 2015 1:41am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from hamsamwich

They lost on a great goal in the 118' of an extra time semi final against Italy. Lots of people give Jurgen credit. He picked lahm sweinsteiger muller etc - all those guys when they were young and there were plenty of older Germans available. The core of their future success. He revamped the whole youth system in connection with the German fa. Sorry if you don't like the guy. Personally my favorite coach was Bradley. Professionally it was bruce arena. Even Jurgen knows he is just getting us from point A to point B. If we made the semifinal in Russia- which is the goal according to Jurgen would be a huge success.


isnt lahm on record saying he thinks JK is a terrible coach?

coverby
Post #72
Thursday February 5, 2015 1:41am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 501
Original post from rainORshine

was waiting for the jogi loew reference. slow clap for you.

obviously needed to include the word OBJECTIVE before source for the not-too-clever out there


And you speaking for the people of Germany isn't subjective? Give us your sources since there are none.

rainORshine
Post #73
Thursday February 5, 2015 1:56am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
philip lahm, german world cup champion captain seems like a reliable source:

"We practically only practiced fitness under Klinsmann," Lahm said, according to excerpts published in German newspaper Bild and translated into English by several outlets. "There was very little technical instruction and the players had to get together independently before the game to discuss how we wanted to play."

Lahm, a 27-year-old defender who has played more than 80 times for his country, also wrote, "All the players knew after about eight weeks that it was not going to work out with Klinsmann. The remainder of that campaign was nothing but limiting the damage."

Klinsmann lasted less than a season in Munich and was dismissed in the spring of 2009. Bayern was three points off the Bundesliga lead at the time and had been eliminated by Barcelona in the UEFA Champions League quarterfinals, which was nothing to be embarrassed about. Klinsmann, however, ran afoul of both his players and club management because of several unorthodox methods, including importing American fitness coaches and forcing players to do yoga.

Players publicly criticized Klinsmann's tactics, claiming they were too offensive and nave, and Brazilian midfielder Z Roberto said one of Klinsmann's half-time talks toward the end of his reign consisted only of, "You have to score a goal."

rainORshine
Post #74
Thursday February 5, 2015 2:02am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
You have to score a goal!

hamsamwich
Post #75
Thursday February 5, 2015 2:17am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,413
Nice. Quotes from 2009 Bayern Munich. Why don't I pull up Bob Bradley quotes from the fire when he was a champion? That'll prove something. Point is lahm was chosen by klinsmann I don't care if they don't get along. That's like Yedlin crying about Jurgen 5 years from now. Your quotes prove nothing except yogi is a better manager something I already typed. But we don't have a yogi to turn to. So what's your point?

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