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kopion12
Post #46
Wednesday February 4, 2015 11:15am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 3
Oh how I love this never ending klinsmann bashing topic. Lets break this down all the way back from when klinsmann took over.It was 4 years ago and he promise to bring a proactive style of soccer that the usmnt has never seen before. Has he delivered? I do not believe he fully has, but that is also not his fault. We look up and down our roster for the first year of klinsmann's tenure... any world class talent field players (i.e. not goalie)? Dempsey if we are being really generous. So then lets go to the next two year 2012 and 2013... any world class talent? I would say again maybe dempsey and this time Bradley. Then lets look at the world cup year... Dempsey and Bradley again the only world class talent. My argument is that yes its beyond frustrating to see the usmnt in this crappy run, one that we haven't ever experienced in the klinsmann tenure. If we are going to be honest with ourselves as fans though we need to be fair, klinsmann is not working with any world class talent right now. I believe someone like a pulisic or hyndman or a few others from the u-20 team have the potential to be as well as the young guys with the usmnt (yedlin, green, brooks, trapp) but its still too premature. to complain about klinsmanns coaching right now is ludacris. He knows what he is doing these friendlies are pure experimentation and grooming for young players... If we really want to can Klinsmann after a loss during the cupcake camp then we as a soccer community have major issues. Lets take a seat relax and let the talent funnel in. Till we lose meaningful results lets let klinsy work his magic... he hasn't let us down yet regarding results..

hamsamwich
Post #47
Wednesday February 4, 2015 1:11pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,409
I bet navi (when he's old enough to have one) will have an office with one of those nameplates with the first name as an initial followed by a full middle and last name. Let's all enter the office of A. Crusty Troll, shall we... Copious degrees, reference letters, merit badges, thank you cards, old 3rd place sports trophies lie about. He is waiting for lunch to be delivered, and we all know who is going to be bringing the order from El Pollo Tonto, admsgs27! Just be prepared guy, because haughty folk like A. Crusty Troll usually leave shitty tips, at least from my experience.

navi8132
New York
Post #48
Wednesday February 4, 2015 2:29pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
Dolcem- you spend how long writing that post? I am 27 years old, I work in the pharmaceutical industry (oncology clinical trials). As far as mentioning APs and GPA in the way I did, this was the way every student discussed it in the year 2005 in my area. That's the way it was done. The fact that you are trying to second guess something THAT OCCURED ALREADY- I mean what the fuck? That's the way it was done by every student when describing high school achievement. I could describe actual grades on the AP exams, but I did not bc few ever did. GPA- that was the term we used in my area in regard to calculating final average of all classes (unweighted), which my high school did.

I am finished with this thread. No more back and forth. Enough.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #49
Wednesday February 4, 2015 2:31pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,408
LUNACY.

navi8132
New York
Post #50
Wednesday February 4, 2015 3:48pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
Do not respond any further. This thread is over.

dunlopp9987
Post #51
Wednesday February 4, 2015 4:42pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,647
Original post from navi8132

Do not respond any further. This thread is over.


I mean...you sorta brought it upon yourself, so.
COYB!!
dfw_fan
DfW
Post #52
Wednesday February 4, 2015 4:46pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

JK is fine. He has a tough job...it's an 8 year marathon.

My SAT was 910...I took it again because i was sure there was a scoring error....My second score was 890...haha doesn't mean jack in the real world.


Exactly, some people claim to be super intelligent than others... go figure right?

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #53
Wednesday February 4, 2015 4:49pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Original post from kopion12

Oh how I love this never ending klinsmann bashing topic. Lets break this down all the way back from when klinsmann took over.It was 4 years ago and he promise to bring a proactive style of soccer that the usmnt has never seen before. Has he delivered? I do not believe he fully has, but that is also not his fault. We look up and down our roster for the first year of klinsmann's tenure... any world class talent field players (i.e. not goalie)? Dempsey if we are being really generous. So then lets go to the next two year 2012 and 2013... any world class talent? I would say again maybe dempsey and this time Bradley. Then lets look at the world cup year... Dempsey and Bradley again the only world class talent. My argument is that yes its beyond frustrating to see the usmnt in this crappy run, one that we haven't ever experienced in the klinsmann tenure. If we are going to be honest with ourselves as fans though we need to be fair, klinsmann is not working with any world class talent right now. I believe someone like a pulisic or hyndman or a few others from the u-20 team have the potential to be as well as the young guys with the usmnt (yedlin, green, brooks, trapp) but its still too premature. to complain about klinsmanns coaching right now is ludacris. He knows what he is doing these friendlies are pure experimentation and grooming for young players... If we really want to can Klinsmann after a loss during the cupcake camp then we as a soccer community have major issues. Lets take a seat relax and let the talent funnel in. Till we lose meaningful results lets let klinsy work his magic... he hasn't let us down yet regarding results..


Yep!!!

Was listening SXM FC... There was a bunch of sensitive lunatics(Meola, Lalas) going on and on whining about how hurt their feelings were after JK questioned the US Player fitness in the games after WC...

Know Nothing
Post #54
Wednesday February 4, 2015 5:05pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,813
Original post from dunlopp9987

So fitting that this is in the thread titled "Lunacy", because those words up there are the ramblings of a lunatic. "We should all expect USA to win a WC from now on nothing less"


Cut him some slack...he only expects JK to do what he can do on his X Box

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #55
Wednesday February 4, 2015 5:30pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,582
Sometimes I agree with Klinsmann and sometimes I don't. Often times the US soccer media divas are just looking for blood regardless of what Klinsmann says or does.

If you ask a coach a question, do you not want him/her to give you what he/she feels is their honest answer/assessment?

For me I have no reason not to continue to have faith in Klinsmann and his continued progression to help US soccer evolve.

The man hasn't lost to Mexico, he coached the team to a Gold Cup win, he righted the ship in qualifying and coached the team to a first place finish with 23 points, and he successfully navigated the USMNT out of arguably the group of death at the WC when most people on here and most media members stated that the US would not get out of the group. He coached the team to their longest winning streak, and he constructed a team that was better than the sum of their parts in the last WC cycle.

The team is starting a new cycle. There is going to be some ups and downs as new faces get shuffled in and out. As much as I want the US to win the Gold Cup this summer, it's not necessary. They have the 2013 Gold Cup in their pocket which gives them a one game playoff against whoever might win the 2015 Gold Cup.

I am sure by the Gold Cup Klinsmann will assemble a very good team.

rainORshine
Post #56
Wednesday February 4, 2015 7:21pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Honestly dont mean to add fuel to this fire, but...

"Overall, I think it's a very interesting system, because Jermaine is one, he can come out of the center and become a midfielder or a forward. He can surprise an opponent. An opponent doesn't know who takes on this guy - 'What is he doing now suddenly?' - so he can play in many different ways." - JK

really jurgen? your central defender in a 3 man back line can "surprise an opponent" and become a FORWARD???

this is little beyond outside the box - toward lunney town

this is Jones, basically saying "JK you are an ass munch - if you want me to switch to back line, lets get a little consistency with a standard 4 man line first"

"I play a lot of times with my German teams in the back four [as a fill-in]," he said. "Backline with four people, I feel like we're comfortable. It's better for me. But what I have to learn now is find that rhythm with the back four. It's not easy. I've played three times now in the back four [including the second half against Chile] and three times with a different center back.

JK bottom line credentials as a head coach:
- Germany at home - semis - historically a massive failure
- Bayern Munich - did not win title - historically a massive failure
- USA - second round - historically unimpressive

if people like JK, fine but lets not pretend he has done anything particularly impressive in his entire career

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #57
Wednesday February 4, 2015 7:48pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,582
Wait how is making the second round of the WC historically unimpressive? The USMNT made it to the QF's once in the modern era. And made it to the Round of 16 a grand total of 4 times since 1994.

1990 finished 24 out of 24 teams.
1994 round of 16 as one of the best third place teams.
1998 Finished 24 out of 24 teams.
2002 QF's.
2006 ousted in the group. Finished one of the worst teams in that tournament.
2010 Round of 16
2014 Round of 16

Historically unimpressive is hyperbole.

Taking Germany to the semis in Germany was seen by the fans and the DFB as a very good success. Historically a failure? By whose standards? Because the DFB and the fans didn't think so.

That's cool that you want to hate. You have been hating on Jurgen for a few years now, but your hyperbole astounds me.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #58
Wednesday February 4, 2015 7:59pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,582
The barometer for the USA is still getting out of the group at the WC. Anyone who say's differently are pretty damn delusional.

skangles
DC
Post #59
Wednesday February 4, 2015 8:10pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,448
It's inevitable that we will fail to make it out of the Group at some point. It happens to some of the best teams in the world (see Spain in 2014 and the Netherlands in Euro 2012). When that day comes there is going to be all kinds of ridiculous comments about how we've regressed.

I still think our 2006 side was one of the most talented teams we've had. We had some last minute injuries and overall just underachieved. Our game against Italy is still one of my all time favorites.

hamsamwich
Post #60
Wednesday February 4, 2015 8:20pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,409
Juergen set in motion and hand picked the majority of the team that yogi love coached to a WC title. That stuff was all Jurgens idea. Yes we all know that yogi is a better manager, but credit must be given to Jurgen for renovating what had become a stale German team. If you were there in 2006 and saw how Jurgen galvanized Germany into one unified country again, that was bigger than sports. Have a little historical memory and know what you are talking about.

Look how upset everyone gets when Jurgen suggests a new idea. As if Lucio or David Luiz or john terry haven't run into the box before. The two other cbs can easily cover that. Every formation can work or not work. It's like Ozzie guillen once said "I can't win the Kentucky derby if you give me a donkey." The rest of us are enjoying the ride. Tell me it wasn't exciting in the first half when jones was all over the pitch and the game was open. We should've kept doing that. And don't disrespect chile I believe their ranking may be higher than ours without looking it up.

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