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munns5986
Post #16
Tuesday February 3, 2015 10:29pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from dunlopp9987

If you're referring to this year's WC, yes, getting out of the group stage was a success. The biggest fan of US Soccer in the universe, Alexi "Batshit-Crazy" Lalas, said we wouldn't get out of the group. And we took a very good Belgium team to 120 minutes.

It's not that we have low expectations. We have realistic expectations.


This is how I see it. There is a difference between low expectations and realistic expectations. My expectations are not to win a World Cup or every game we play right now. Countries like Spain and Germany can have those expectations. In my opinion the US will have those one day.

dunlopp9987
Post #17
Tuesday February 3, 2015 11:04pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,647
Original post from munns5986

This is how I see it. There is a difference between low expectations and realistic expectations. My expectations are not to win a World Cup or every game we play right now. Countries like Spain and Germany can have those expectations. In my opinion the US will have those one day.


DING DING DING.

We've been playing this sport (professionally and TRULY competitively) for only 20 years. Spain, Germany, Brazil, England, and countless other countries have been doing it for much longer. We will get there. But not yet. So let's take it down with the insanely high expectations.
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chillguy1992
Post #18
Tuesday February 3, 2015 11:20pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
Original post from admsghs27

A big problem is that us soccer fans have very low expectations. Their satisfied if we get out of the WC group stage and call it a sucessful WC. The gold cup is somewhat of a joke tournament we know either USA or Mexico is gonna win it. Until we start competing in FIFA tournaments and winning some we would never be taken seriously as a soccer nation.


Maybe we dont have the highest expectations because we dont have world class or elite talent yet. You have to measure talent with the results and getting out of the group of death was a success I dont know how that isnt. Look at who we lost to belgium they have so many elite players playing for the best clubs in the world. You have to at least be realistic about what the state of the usmnt is. Italy, Portugal, Spain and England didnt even make it out of the group stage and England even kept its coach after those results! That tells you about expectations and what they are for some countries. You also have to live in the real world and be honest about your talent level we arent there yet and to measure ourselves to world class soccer nations in terms of expectations is crazy because we dont have the talent yet to do it.

rainORshine
Post #19
Tuesday February 3, 2015 11:36pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
as far as i am concerned the time to really start re-evaluating JK begins march 25 v denmark and goes through the gold cup

camp cupcake is always going to be a weak barometer, even with more guys returning there to play

as far as expectation the bar was set during 2002 QF v finalists germany and despite some decent "results" here and there JK IMO has not really come close to putting an inspiring product on the field - certainly not with any consistency v strong opponents

admsghs27
Post #20
Wednesday February 4, 2015 12:03am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from dunlopp9987

DING DING DING.

We've been playing this sport (professionally and TRULY competitively) for only 20 years. Spain, Germany, Brazil, England, and countless other countries have been doing it for much longer. We will get there. But not yet. So let's take it down with the insanely high expectations.


Yes eventually we will get there. But for a fact it won't happen with Jurgen Klinsmann in charge i would bet anything on that. He has failed so far, he promised a different style of play and we haven't seen that, heck i thought we looked more exciting when Bradley was in charge. Is very frustrating to watch USA play it makes you cringe most of the time.

Know Nothing
Post #21
Wednesday February 4, 2015 12:19am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,830
Well, Bradley had a young Donovan, a young Dempsey, and McBride. Not for the lack of trying has someone stepped forward to challenge an underperforming Jozy...hence nothing has really changed and our performaces have been cringeworthy.

I agree it will not happen under klinsmann, but I believe he has moved us a little more forward and is introducing new ideas to try and teach.

dolcem
Post #22
Wednesday February 4, 2015 12:32am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,805
Original post from navi8132

I am more fed up with Jurgen right now than I was with that raging lunatic Sarah Palin during her VP run. That's an incredible height. I am beyond self control right now. He is making a mockery of the team I love.


That's surprising. I figured from your posting style that you were a Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck kind of a guy.
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dunlopp9987
Post #23
Wednesday February 4, 2015 12:34am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,647
Original post from rainORshine

as far as i am concerned the time to really start re-evaluating JK begins march 25 v denmark and goes through the gold cup

camp cupcake is always going to be a weak barometer, even with more guys returning there to play

as far as expectation the bar was set during 2002 QF v finalists germany and despite some decent "results" here and there JK IMO has not really come close to putting an inspiring product on the field - certainly not with any consistency v strong opponents


I post these results knowing full well that we also had some poor results mixed in with these positive results.

11/15/11- Beat Slovenia 3-2 in Ljubljana
2/29/12- Beat Italy 1-0 in Genoa
5/26/12- Beat Scotland 5-1 in Jacksonville
8/15/12- Beat Mexico 1-0 in the Azteca (Arena & Bradley never did)
11/14/12- Drew 2-2 with Russia in Krasnodar
6/2/13- Beat Germany 4-3 in DC
8/14/13- Beat Bosnia 4-3 in Sarajevo
2/1/14- Beat South Korea 2-0 in Carson
6/1/14- Beat Turkey 2-1 in Harrison
6/8/14- Beat Nigeria 2-1 in Jacksonville
6/16/14- Beat Ghana 2-1 in Natal
9/3/14- Beat Czech Republic 1-0 in Prague

Again, I know we had bad results in there, too. And in 2013, we went 16-4-3, the best year in USMNT history. We won every game we played in the 2013 Gold Cup. So to say that Jurgen hasn't put up any consistency against quality opponents is absurd. Yes, in the last 4 months, we've been awful. Just bad. But it's crazy how quickly Jurgen-haters forget the results he has gotten in the last 3 1/2 years.
COYB!!
navi8132
New York
Post #24
Wednesday February 4, 2015 12:42am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
Original post from dolcem

That's surprising. I figured from your posting style that you were a Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck kind of a guy.


I am neither a democrat nor republican, yes I do have a temper more typical of a republican though. As far as intelligence goes, I don't know how to prove that to you. Do you want to know my old high school GPA and SAT score? Chances are I had higher scores than every single person on this forum by a considerable degree.

hamsamwich
Post #25
Wednesday February 4, 2015 1:05am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,454
Yea but they don't have a test for soccer knowledge. Remember the thread started because you know the most, obviously more than Jurgen... But you still have yet to articulate any alternate vision. Just blind rage. Jurgens results are posted above, best in USA history. And my favorite current USMNTer Chris Wondolowski blew our chance to get to the QF. In what would have been an historic upset. So close yet so far, but on the players not the coach.
We all know why you and a few others don't like Jurgen. At least admsgs has the guts to admit it's because he left out his idol LD.

rainORshine
Post #26
Wednesday February 4, 2015 1:14am

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 2,097
Original post from dunlopp9987

I post these results knowing full well that we also had some poor results mixed in with these positive results.

11/15/11- Beat Slovenia 3-2 in Ljubljana
2/29/12- Beat Italy 1-0 in Genoa
5/26/12- Beat Scotland 5-1 in Jacksonville
8/15/12- Beat Mexico 1-0 in the Azteca (Arena & Bradley never did)
11/14/12- Drew 2-2 with Russia in Krasnodar
6/2/13- Beat Germany 4-3 in DC
8/14/13- Beat Bosnia 4-3 in Sarajevo
2/1/14- Beat South Korea 2-0 in Carson
6/1/14- Beat Turkey 2-1 in Harrison
6/8/14- Beat Nigeria 2-1 in Jacksonville
6/16/14- Beat Ghana 2-1 in Natal
9/3/14- Beat Czech Republic 1-0 in Prague

Again, I know we had bad results in there, too. And in 2013, we went 16-4-3, the best year in USMNT history. We won every game we played in the 2013 Gold Cup. So to say that Jurgen hasn't put up any consistency against quality opponents is absurd. Yes, in the last 4 months, we've been awful. Just bad. But it's crazy how quickly Jurgen-haters forget the results he has gotten in the last 3 1/2 years.


dunlopp - as you know, usually i completely ignore your posts - because i dont really respect your knowledge or input...

but this is too hard to ignore. i said:
a) at this point lets wait till spring/summer to judge JK further
b) i specifically acknowledged some good results but said that FOR ME it has not been a particularly INSPIRING PRODUCT - which has very little to do with win/loss record

- as far as expectation the bar was set during 2002 QF v finalists germany and despite some decent "results" here and there JK IMO has not really come close to putting an inspiring product on the field - certainly not with any consistency v strong opponents

belligerent much?

your blind allegiance/devotion to JK is as bad, i would argue much worse, than anyone who is consistently offering criticism of JK (and i have not been in that group over last 6 months)

you are detracting from any rational/balanced praise that other folks may have to offer - think fox news (to continue with the political theme)

navi8132
New York
Post #27
Wednesday February 4, 2015 1:19am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
I DONT THINK JURGEN DOESNT KNOW WHAT HES DOING. There were few decisions he made at the world cup which I disagreed with. I hate him because he is a pathological liar and I don't like being lied to. Additionally, every now and then he comes out and makes a lunatic statement, that's just the icing on the cake. As far as intelligence goes, every one here judges people's intelligence based upon how they carry themselves in a conversation. Jurgen is on the extreme of stupidity in that regard after virtually every press conference he gives, that's my opinion. I am sick of having a lying moron as our coach, yes even though I ACTUALLY AGREE with most of his coaching decisions, he still can at the same time be a lying moron. Those are not mutually exclusive.

admsghs27
Post #28
Wednesday February 4, 2015 1:31am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Yeah one thing i don't like is Liars. He promised a different style of play and hasn't delivered. Even if we lost some of the games at least do it with style with a promising attack type of game. Yes we don't have Elite world class players but neither do other teams and they play attractive soccer.

dunlopp9987
Post #29
Wednesday February 4, 2015 2:09am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,647
Original post from rainORshine

dunlopp - as you know, usually i completely ignore your posts - because i dont really respect your knowledge or input...

but this is too hard to ignore. i said:
a) at this point lets wait till spring/summer to judge JK further
b) i specifically acknowledged some good results but said that FOR ME it has not been a particularly INSPIRING PRODUCT - which has very little to do with win/loss record

- as far as expectation the bar was set during 2002 QF v finalists germany and despite some decent "results" here and there JK IMO has not really come close to putting an inspiring product on the field - certainly not with any consistency v strong opponents

belligerent much?

your blind allegiance/devotion to JK is as bad, i would argue much worse, than anyone who is consistently offering criticism of JK (and i have not been in that group over last 6 months)

you are detracting from any rational/balanced praise that other folks may have to offer - think fox news (to continue with the political theme)


You never "specifically acknowledged some good results", first off. You said "some decent 'results' here and there." Does beating Italy in Genoa not satisfy you? Does going into the Azteca and winning bore you?

Secondly, as I've stated multiple times, I don't have a blind allegiance or devotion to Jurgen. I've said, multiple times, that he has fucked some things up and made wrong decisions. He has lost the plot over the last four months, but the dude had the most successful year in USMNT history in 2013. I just...I don't know how much clearer I can make that point.

And if we're talking about absurd allegiance to one person, your obsession for Sacha trumps mine for Jurgen. I don't have an allegiance to Jurgen, but if I did, at least it would be towards someone who actually matters. You lobbying (with all your little heart could muster) for a guy who is a mediocre player at best was one of the oddest things I've seen on this site. Besides 99% of admsghs's posts.
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logicoverall
Post #30
Wednesday February 4, 2015 2:13am

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 222
I made the mistake of clicking on the "Lunacy" thread. It did not fail to deliver upon its name.

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