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Post #31
Thursday March 5, 2015 3:46am

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MLS would be foolish to not add a 4th DP spot in the summer transfer window. There are a lot of good players saying they want to play in MLS. We would get so many players from the italian league.

tylercocinas
Post #32
Thursday March 5, 2015 4:57am

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Original post from skangles

No word on a fourth DP. The salary cap will increase but it hasn't leaked yet how much it will be.


I'm not sure that the DP limit is a collective bargaining issue. They made the rule up on the fly for Beckham so in theory one would think that they could increase it again unilaterally. All in all this CBA was ok but far from great for the players. It sucks that they will have to wait 5 more years to get closer to a reasonable definition of free agency that benefits younger players but it was a step in the right direction.

I do think these negotiations exposed the league's repeated statement that they want to be among the worlds best leagues by 2022 as pure rhetoric. Their actions aren't in line with it and for me there's no reason to take them seriously from that perspective anymore.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #33
Thursday March 5, 2015 6:34am

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MLS will continue to get better. The American player will continue to get better. And I will continue to watch.

I would be happy with MLS being a top 10 league in the world by 2022; in which I think is more than feasible

I have a feeling in the next 10 years MLS will continue to be economically sound, revenues will increase, TV money will increase, and MLS teams will be playing in the Copa Libertadores; which I see as instrumental in MLS's ability to attract talented players from all over the world. I could see Copa Lib rivaling UEFA Champions league in the future with the addition of MLS into the competition.

There is still so much more potential of growth for MLS and soccer in this country. Financially speaking Europe can't compete with USA on the sports front.

I believe CONMEBOL recognizes this. They understand that bringing MLS into Copa Lib could increase their revenues ten fold. US TV revenues alone could be massive for Copa Lib once MLS is brought into the fold. CONMEBOL and CONCACAF also understand that an every 4 year South and North American cup could be massive for CONMEBOL and CONCACAF.

South American leagues are in need of more revenue and they see MLS as that potential gold mine going forward.

admsghs27
Post #34
Thursday March 5, 2015 7:45am

Joined Nov 2012
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That is why Copa America Centenario is being played in USA and not Mexico or other country. Reason why $$$$. I wont be surprised at all if it surpasses the Euro cup in terms of viewership and revenue. And Im sure our average attendance will surpass it. Copa America Centenario 2016 > Euro cup 2016 no doubt!!

MSantoine
Post #35
Thursday March 5, 2015 1:27pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from 2tone

MLS will continue to get better. The American player will continue to get better. And I will continue to watch.

I would be happy with MLS being a top 10 league in the world by 2022; in which I think is more than feasible

I have a feeling in the next 10 years MLS will continue to be economically sound, revenues will increase, TV money will increase, and MLS teams will be playing in the Copa Libertadores; which I see as instrumental in MLS's ability to attract talented players from all over the world. I could see Copa Lib rivaling UEFA Champions league in the future with the addition of MLS into the competition.

There is still so much more potential of growth for MLS and soccer in this country. Financially speaking Europe can't compete with USA on the sports front.

I believe CONMEBOL recognizes this. They understand that bringing MLS into Copa Lib could increase their revenues ten fold. US TV revenues alone could be massive for Copa Lib once MLS is brought into the fold. CONMEBOL and CONCACAF also understand that an every 4 year South and North American cup could be massive for CONMEBOL and CONCACAF.

South American leagues are in need of more revenue and they see MLS as that potential gold mine going forward.


Exactly. And throw in the fact that some young skilled South Americans may start to loko to MLS instead of Spain/Portugal when they are ready to leave home. That would be the biggest boon to legitimizing the MLS

Rey Regicide
Post #36
Thursday March 5, 2015 2:39pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Exactly. And throw in the fact that some young skilled South Americans may start to loko to MLS instead of Spain/Portugal when they are ready to leave home. That would be the biggest boon to legitimizing the MLS


And at that point if philosophically we are still discussing relegation, we will be able to entertain the notion.

With countries from all over America trying to populate spots in our league.

Yes American talent will suffer, but the one's who survive the top flight will be battle tested domestically, and they will be pertinent to the national team. At that point we should willingly invite a dog eat dog environment at home, with no reservation for cultivating our own talents, or protecting them.

tylercocinas
Post #37
Thursday March 5, 2015 2:59pm

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Original post from 2tone
I would be happy with MLS being a top 10 league in the world by 2022; in which I think is more than feasible


Agree with everything else you said. MLS will undoubtedly continue to improve, but in terms of the on field product, if you want quality, I think we can all agree that you have to be willing to pay for it. Prior to the signing of this CBA the gap in average salary the 10th best paying league in the world (Liga MX) and MLS was roughly $144,000.

Given how the players fought tooth and nail to get the meager improvements they did receive from this CBA, I think it unlikely that MLS will pay wages on par with Liga MX or any other top 10 league by 2022, which ultimately will continue to prevent the quality of the on field product from reaching its highest potential.

MSantoine
Post #38
Thursday March 5, 2015 4:23pm

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Original post from tylercocinas

Agree with everything else you said. MLS will undoubtedly continue to improve, but in terms of the on field product, if you want quality, I think we can all agree that you have to be willing to pay for it. Prior to the signing of this CBA the gap in average salary the 10th best paying league in the world (Liga MX) and MLS was roughly $144,000.

Given how the players fought tooth and nail to get the meager improvements they did receive from this CBA, I think it unlikely that MLS will pay wages on par with Liga MX or any other top 10 league by 2022, which ultimately will continue to prevent the quality of the on field product from reaching its highest potential.


I disagree. I think its achievable. The new CBA runs through 2019. That means at least one more CBA (sometimes they negotiate an extension before it expires so could be two). I think the increase in salaries for MLS has grown much quicker than lots of other leagues (EPL and Bundes being the exception). Throw in the fact that we'll have multiple years of South American competition in front of us to judge off of (which we dont have now) and its definitely possible.

The only thing I see stopping it is if european soccer leagues get more US tv deals. That will speed them up and slow MLS down. Hopefully that doesnt happen

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #39
Thursday March 5, 2015 4:32pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Ahhhhhhhhh. The salary cap is horrible. It incremently increase until 2019. It will only be 4.2 million by 2019.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #40
Thursday March 5, 2015 5:09pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Yeah, MLS is not going to be a top 10 league by 2022. The American soccer player is not going to improve that much in 4 years.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
tylercocinas
Post #41
Thursday March 5, 2015 5:32pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

I disagree. I think its achievable. The new CBA runs through 2019. That means at least one more CBA (sometimes they negotiate an extension before it expires so could be two). I think the increase in salaries for MLS has grown much quicker than lots of other leagues (EPL and Bundes being the exception). Throw in the fact that we'll have multiple years of South American competition in front of us to judge off of (which we dont have now) and its definitely possible.

The only thing I see stopping it is if european soccer leagues get more US tv deals. That will speed them up and slow MLS down. Hopefully that doesnt happen


Like I alluded to in the post you quoted in your response, part of being a top 10 league is paying those types of wages. Not only does this attract players of a certain caliber, but it will also help keep more US talent inside MLS.

It would take a serious spike in both the salary cap and league wide salaries to get MLS to the point league execs say they want to be at by 2022. Not only that, but there needs to be even more movement on the player rights front. Obviously never say never, but taking all of this into consideration, the odds are heavily against MLS breaking out of that global 2nd tier that it's currently in by the time 2022 rolls around.

stone88
Post #42
Thursday March 5, 2015 5:47pm

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Original post from 2tone

Ahhhhhhhhh. The salary cap is horrible. It incremently increase until 2019. It will only be 4.2 million by 2019.


Yep, that is TERRIBLE news!! Good thing this CBA is only five years. MLS was trying to push it to 7 or 8 years! Now the only chance of making the product on the field a whole lot better is if the league just ups the DP #'s unilaterally.

stone88
Post #43
Thursday March 5, 2015 5:54pm

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http://screamer.deadspin.com/chart-the-averag...

MLS comes in 22nd in average player salaries in soccer leagues around the world.

MSantoine
Post #44
Thursday March 5, 2015 6:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from stone88

http://screamer.deadspin.com/chart-the-averag...

MLS comes in 22nd in average player salaries in soccer leagues around the world.


Great link. I will point out a couple things though. Salary doesnt mean anything. Does anyone think China super league is the 15th best league in the world? Dont think so. Same for Scottish League. Also its hard to compare total data between MLS and some of those top heavy Euro leagues. Take away the top salary team in each league, including MLS and I bet MLS moves to around 15 or so. Id look more at the average club income to see growth. MLS is 13th there (just behind Japan?) and just below the second tier of Netherlands, Championship, Mexico, and Turkey.

tylercocinas
Post #45
Thursday March 5, 2015 6:34pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,151
I think you raise an interesting point MSantoine. MLS seems to be doing well in most other categories that we might use to measure growth such as attendance, club income, etc. but still lags behind on salaries. I'm with you regarding the fact the average salary relative to other leagues in the world does not necessarily indicate a league's superiority (a determination which in and of itself is extremely subjective most times). However we can't ignore the trend that generally, the better paying leagues have the capacity to attract and retain a higher level of talent.

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