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blaise213
Post #16
Thursday January 29, 2015 8:01am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,141
Entertaining game but a disappointing result with 6 World Cup starters on the field. Yes, I understand it was pre-season but once again all the blame is on Klinsmann. I really don't think he has a clue to what is going on. His starting XI's are always bizarre along with his timing and choice of substitutions. Also his roster selections always come back to bite him.

*Klinsmann needs to become the full time technical director!
*Bobby Wood is garbage, Agudelo would've been a better option.
*No more Wondolowski.
* not sure whats going on with Bradley
* The starting XI should've been exactly what Stone88 projected
* Jones is not a centerback
* Will Trapp should've never been in this game
* Shea and Altidore needed to be subbed at half. Looked tired
* Why the hell is Ibarra keep getting called up but gets no playing time?
* Bunbury should've been on this roster as an RW

Looking ahead to march, The new faces I'd like to see: Zelalam, Vickers, Alvarado.
We need some wingers badly. I'm still holding out for Shawn Parker and would die for Robert Kenedy Nunes.
Dempsey and Jones need to be subs from now on
If Boyd wasn't hurt, IMO the starting forwards are Johansson and Boyd.

admsghs27
Post #17
Thursday January 29, 2015 8:28am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
No JK has to go!!! The guy thinks he has German talent.. well guess what we don't. Real Germans are much more superior than the fake half ones we have.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #18
Thursday January 29, 2015 8:49am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,543
Now is the time to experiment with player positions, tactics, formations...everything we're light years away from the 2018 WC. If we look like crap at the copa, then there is cause for concern. I liked the 3-5-2, it has potential if we changed a few players out...we have better options in some positions. With better players in key positions it could work.

If I have one concern it would be that JK is stuck on JJ being on the field...and he's willing to shoe horn him in practically anywhere to keep him in the starting 11...that has the potential to be very disruptive.

mpdal
Post #19
Thursday January 29, 2015 4:24pm

Joined Jan 2015
Total Posts: 1
Of course he doesn't have German talent. But go ahead and tell me which German's disappointed you? Oh wait...they didn't have any of the German Americans playing, with exception of Jones. That's because they are busy with their club teams. This roster is to test some players on the fence and mix with vets and some younger players who are regulars (Diskerud, Alitdore etc). Most of the players playing in Europe are not on this roster....and why would they be? Anyway the biggest challenge JK has is revamping the youth system....and given it's the first time someone from the top has attempted it...whether you like him or not he is trying a near impossible task that is really the ONLY thing that is going to change US soccer in the long term. Certainly you cannot expect a head coach to come in, replace him and make this talent pool world class with the swipe of a magic wand....but that's what a lot of US fans want. Not realistic. Now is the time to start testing players and growing depth etc. Be patient.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #20
Thursday January 29, 2015 4:37pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,582
Loud noises!!!!!!!

By WC 2018 this team will probably look quite different. People need to chill.

Know Nothing
Post #21
Thursday January 29, 2015 6:18pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,816
Context....

MLS is in it's off-season and the Chilean league is ongoing...they were always going to be in better form.

JK is experimenting and getting the players used to different situations...kudos to him it is good to have a plan B. The onus is on the players sometimes to figure it out for themselves and once he sets a lineup and the players get familiar with each other things will be better.

federov
Post #22
Thursday January 29, 2015 6:22pm

Joined Dec 2014
Total Posts: 97
I'd like to argue that these games are not just putting pressure on JK - they're putting pressure on MLS. I think it's very fair to criticize JK for tactical choices to an extent (ie JJ at CB). However, I think also it's in these MLS' players hands. Most came here by choice, and they have an obligation to prove our domestic league is on par with other leagues in Europe. I fear that criticisms are all going to be funneled into one area - and that's not fair.

camparkinson
Post #23
Thursday January 29, 2015 6:23pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 341
I enjoyed watching the game and enjoyed the experiments. I think 3-5-2 could work actually and think Shea and Yedlin showed some good stuff... also think Chandler and F. Johnson could be interesting in those roles... maybe even Gyau or Gatt in the future if they can stay healthy.

Here are my main issues with Klinsy and this game:
Jones takes too many risks, can't play CB or CDM... thought he was the worst player of the game.

Dempsey cannot play CAM, he is not a good distributor of the ball nor plays any defense at all... poor Jozy... not sure how Wood started, Dempsey should have been up there with Jozy and Mix or Nguyen at CAM.

Most of all frustrations is Klinsmann giving a kid like Trapp his first cap and then playing him out of position as RM in 4-4-2 Diamond... just makes no sense at all. I'm glad he got int he game and think this is exactly the kind of game you give a kid like that his first gap to get a taste of that speed of play but how do you rationalize playing him in an uncomfortable position?

I really wish we could have seen Nguyen start, by the time he came on everyone was exhausted and there wasn't much of a chance for him to show what he can do.

Not overly concerned about this one game but I am concerned about the trend.

I found a nice stat on MLSsoccer "The US have one win from their last nine, and have been outscored 9-0 in the second half since the World Cup." Klinsmann is known for over training his guys in camps and this happened again as the last 30 minutes of the game were just awful, tired legs, subs that didn't do much or were played out of position. Granted it is also always a challenge in Jan. camps due to it being pre season but still.

US needs to beat Panama...

cudevil
Post #24
Thursday January 29, 2015 6:54pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,082
I don't know how people can get this worked up over friendlies right now. Sure, we'd like wins, but that is completely secondary to developing the player pool moving forward.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #25
Thursday January 29, 2015 7:21pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,582
Trapp looked a little out of sorts, but that's to be expected in your first cap. I thought he settled down and played decent.

I can't stress enough that the USMNT really is lacking wide attacking options. I think a player like Pontius could really do himself some big favors for the USMNT if he starts out well for DC. Because I just don't see many options at winger right now. Green has promise, but can't be expected to be the man at LW right now. Gyau needs to get healthy, and who knows if he will get any first team minutes for Dortmund. Gatt needs to get healthy and play well. Fabian Johnson needs to play. I mean who else is there right now? Bedoya, Zusi, Yedlin?

3-5-2 could work as long as Jones is not a CB. Play Brooks in the center or play Cameron who I think would be the ideal player for that middle CB of a back 3.

To be honest I would like to see this for a 3-5-2:

------Deuce------Altidore-----
-----------Nguyen-------
------Bradley-------Jones-----
Fabian-----------------Chandler-----
----Brooks-----Cam-------Orozco-----
-------------Guzan---------

Chandler is the most in form RB the USMNT has right now, and I think he would be really good as RWB.

Fabian Johnson is more disciplined as a defender than Shea, and he has more pace than Garza( who is not suited to be a LWB)

navi8132
New York
Post #26
Thursday January 29, 2015 8:05pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 3,122
I don't understand why we are trying to force a 3-5-2. Desperate much to be better than we are? This is not an optimal formation, THUS WHY IT IS SO RARELY USED IN SOCCER.

MSantoine
Post #27
Thursday January 29, 2015 8:18pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from camparkinson

I found a nice stat on MLSsoccer "The US have one win from their last nine, and have been outscored 9-0 in the second half since the World Cup." ...


I have a nice stat for you too. They are 8W-3T-2L in their last 13 official games (counts Belgium as a tie as after 90' they were tied).

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #28
Thursday January 29, 2015 9:51pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,582
I don't see how playing a 3-5-2 for one half(by the way they looked good offensively) would be considered forced?

hamsamwich
Post #29
Thursday January 29, 2015 10:07pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,415
Because that fits the "get Jurgen out of here, he's f-ing it all up" attitude. They'd rather jk fails and USA by extension so he can he fired and they can be right. It's the exact same as Tab Ramos. Everyone knows better than Jurgen when it comes to players, formations, and America (never mind he's lived here longer than they perhaps have been alive) itself. Some just love to hate or tear things down. My only question was why change at halftime when we were winning and could've had a few more? It would be nice to see USA score 4 or 5 even if it means letting in 4 or 5. For my money anyway.

Loche Achles
Post #30
Thursday January 29, 2015 10:35pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 279
It was a poor move to switch back to the 4-4-2... But the players and Jurgen more or less acknowledged that shift didn't work as planned. They thought they could shore up the win going into the second half with the lead.

Gold Cup is what matters to me, then I will judge JK. I have judged him each step of the way over the matches that matter (WCQ, GC, Confed if we are in, Copa America, and World Cup) and so far have been mostly pleased. World Cup wasn't what I hoped but it wasn't a bad result. WCQ and Gold Cup were great.

This summer will be the barometer for JK going forward in this new cycle.

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