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USAGunner
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Post #46
Friday September 4, 2015 6:38pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
adms,

Sure Davies has finally bounced back (it took a LONG time), but he still is not the player he was (not even really that close). The guy was starting and scoring for a Ligue 1 team and was on the verge of becoming a star. No he can't even make the USMNT team and is doing well (not great) in the MLS.

It's not that players can't come back and have good careers, it's that their careers are not what they could be.
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dolcem
Post #47
Friday September 4, 2015 8:03pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,786
Original post from MSantoine

From what I read, the transfer ban made him ineligible to play games for Barca youth teams. He could practice, just not play games. Im not sure if he could have been loaned or transferred to another team as there are against U17 transferring to other countries. I believe his parents would have had to move and take up residency somewhere else before he'd be allowed to transfer there meaning he'd still lose development time.

I think as said above he'll go to Bradenton and go back to Europe as an 18 year old


The thing is that he'll be stuck playing shitty soccer under mediocre coaching for the next two to three years. By then he will have fallen way behind the other youth prodigies around the world.

If this kid's dad was more informed, they would have moved to Argentina and he could have played for the youth team of either River Plate or Independiente, quickly become the most skilled player in American history, gone to Europe for a big transfer fee in his late teens or early twenties (surely beating Jozy's record), and attracted millions of new fans to the sport as they see the first truly exciting American player in history, the first skilled attacking player who puts plays on Sportcenter's top 10.

Now, though, he's in the American pipeline, and we'll see him get signed to a Generation Adidas contract at 18 or 19, sit on the bench in the MLS for a few years, and then become a journeyman who never really makes it as a pro because he plays a completely different style than the rest of his teammates, a la Luis Gil, Jose Villarreal, etc.
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TheTruth
Post #48
Friday September 4, 2015 8:40pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Oh sweet Jesus. Not all 15 year old stars are going to pan out to be professional stars. Get over it.

andylui8
Post #49
Saturday October 29, 2016 1:23am

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 467
Ben Lederman who was banned to play for Barça by FIFA, has obtained Polish passport, so he can return to Barça in January!

Other news: U.S. U16 standout, John "Xuxuh" Hilton will not be allowed to play for Ajax. The courts have upheld FIFA's decision.

MSantoine
Post #50
Saturday October 29, 2016 2:29am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Good news as lederman can go back there in Jan transfer window.
Bad news as this means he'll probably be eligible to represent Poland and now we may end up losing him.

tylercocinas
Post #51
Saturday October 29, 2016 2:33am

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,135
Original post from MSantoine

Good news as lederman can go back there in Jan transfer window.
Bad news as this means he'll probably be eligible to represent Poland and now we may end up losing him.


It's possible, but is it probable? I remember when people were worried that Pulisic would end up with Croatia.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #52
Saturday October 29, 2016 3:54am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,633
Highly doubtful

Dave
Post #53
Saturday October 29, 2016 9:55am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 884
Lederman is what....16 now? If he moves back to the Barca academy he won't have lost much of his development time and can hopefully get back up to speed quickly. Things in the next cycle could be very interesting to watch develop. There are some truly impressive talents emerging....

Horvath, Steffen, Brooks, CCV, EPB, Miazga, Yedlin, Canouse, De La Torre, Pulisic, Gooch, Green, Lennon, Lederman, Akale, Zelalem, Hyndman, Perez, Wright, Green, Morris, Wood, etc....

These players will be coming into or in their prime around 2022. The only area we seem to be thin is at the Outside back positions. Anyway things are looking good for the future of the USMNT.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #54
Saturday October 29, 2016 10:56pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,378
Still waiting for a couple natural lefties with the goods to play LB at the international level....should be a huge priority in our youth system right now...just like CB was several years back. Now we're stacked at CB...need to put the same effort into the mythical US LB situation.

Dave
Post #55
Saturday October 29, 2016 11:27pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 884
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Still waiting for a couple natural lefties with the goods to play LB at the international level....should be a huge priority in our youth system right now...just like CB was several years back. Now we're stacked at CB...need to put the same effort into the mythical US LB situation.


LB has been the bane of many teams. Lefties make up at most something like 10% of the world population. Professional athletes are an even smaller percentage of the population, so it's not surprising that finding an International Left Back is difficult.
We are lucky that the USMNT has a player as versatile as Fabian who is capable of playing the position...even if it isn't his best or preferred spot on the field.

We also have some decent players who will hopefully challenge for the spot in the future....Villafana, Acosta, Vincent, Payne, & Olosunde. Hopefully over the next year we'll find at least 1 suitable backup to Fabian. And over the next 4 others will come into the picture.

skangles
DC
Post #56
Thursday November 3, 2016 4:30pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,369
Lederman is 16?!?! What, he's only a year and a half younger than Pulisic. My head is exploding.

MSantoine
Post #57
Thursday November 3, 2016 5:13pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from skangles

Lederman is 16?!?! What, he's only a year and a half younger than Pulisic. My head is exploding.


2022- Lederman & Pulisic. US would finally have a realistic shot at a deep World Cup run.

Dave
Post #58
Thursday November 3, 2016 9:23pm

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 884
MSantoine - There are a host of talented players who will be emerging and/or entering their prime during the 2022 Cycle. Whatever manager we end up having they are going to have a lot of options to choose from.....

Pulisic (23), Hyndman (26), Zelalem (25), Senora (25), Lederman (22), Gooch (26), Green (27), Akale (25), Canouse (27), Arce (25), Perez (24), Rubin (26), Wright (24), Lennon (24), Arriola (27), Brooks (29), CCV (24), Miazga (27), EPB (25), Yedlin (29), Wood (30), Morris (27), Agudelo (29), Acosta (27), De La Torre (24) Payne (26), Olosunde (24), Fossey (24) Roldan (27), Delgado (27),

It is going to be fun to watch these guys come of age.

skangles
DC
Post #59
Thursday November 3, 2016 9:24pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,369
16 is nearly old enough to have people on the internet start to talk about you as a player.

Thank goodness that Joshua Pynadath is still only 14 so that we still have a child that we can irrationality hype up.

tylercocinas
Post #60
Thursday November 3, 2016 10:16pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,135
Tbh the entire player pool from '98-'00 deserves irrational hype.

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