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2tone
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Post #1
Tuesday January 13, 2015 4:29pm

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Now that the Court of Arbitration for Sport has upheld Barcelona's ban(due to Barcelona signing and playing foreign players underage) Ben Lederman can no longer play in competitive games for Barcelona's academy until he turns 18 in 2018. He can train only with the academy team, but he will miss out on a ton of competitive games if he does indeed try to stay in Spain/Barcelona until he turns 18. In that time frame he could easily be passed by other youngsters at La Masia who have European passports and who are able to actually play for Barcelona.

So the Ledermans could very well leave Barcelona and head back to the States. If that happens I would imagine that the Galaxy Academy will snatch him up because the Ledermans are from southern California.

Rey Regicide
Post #2
Tuesday January 13, 2015 5:45pm

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Rats I without thinking too much thought this would benefit Lederman. The Ban, that is. If they couldn't acquire players that would subsequently have to promote their cantina upwards leaving a net effect of upward mobility throughout their youth system, ultimately benefiting Ben. I wasn't aware the ban would include that provision w/ regards to foreigners. Ratsicles.

Rey Regicide
Post #3
Tuesday January 13, 2015 5:46pm

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correction, foreigners already with the youth teams.

MSantoine
Post #4
Tuesday January 13, 2015 7:49pm

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Im also confused. I was like Reg and thought that the ban was for bringing in foreigners. If he's already there wouldn't he be exempted?

Also I thought it was for senior team matches only. Guess I'll have to re-read the specifics.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #5
Tuesday January 13, 2015 8:04pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Im also confused. I was like Reg and thought that the ban was for bringing in foreigners. If he's already there wouldn't he be exempted?

Also I thought it was for senior team matches only. Guess I'll have to re-read the specifics.


US Child labor laws restrict US players under 18 from signing a contract and playing in competitive matches. They can train with academies, and they can play in friendly games, but they can't play official tournaments or official competitive games until they reach 18. That's why players like Rubin, Junior Flores, Yomba, and Akale can't/couldn't officially sign with their respective teams until they hit 18.

Junior Flores, Rubin, Yomba, Akale etc... are allowed to train with said academies, but not actually sign and play until they are 18.

Lederman was signed by Barcelona and he subsequently played in official tournaments and competitive matches which is against A. US child labor laws, and B. foreign child labor laws. Hence he can only train unofficially with Barcelona.

Rey Regicide
Post #6
Tuesday January 13, 2015 8:05pm

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I guess since he was part of what was contentious, ie the alleged toying with trafficking minors... (am I wrong on that) then he has to leave as well he isn't grandfathered into the team, or he isn't assumed to be part of the team

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #7
Tuesday January 13, 2015 8:07pm

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Yes it has to do with the trafficking of minors.

Rey Regicide
Post #8
Tuesday January 13, 2015 8:08pm

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or what 2tone said

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #9
Tuesday January 13, 2015 8:53pm

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we will suck forever. please stay away from mls Ben. please
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MrThrill
Minneapolis
Post #10
Wednesday January 14, 2015 4:44am

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Goddammit Obama.

skangles
DC
Post #11
Wednesday January 14, 2015 4:59am

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I take it this will also impact Joshua Pynadath at Real Madrid?

Scout92
Lone Star State(Gun State)
Post #12
Wednesday January 14, 2015 5:50am

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Nah.

tylercocinas
Post #13
Wednesday January 14, 2015 6:13am

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Original post from 2tone

US Child labor laws restrict US players under 18 from signing a contract and playing in competitive matches. They can train with academies, and they can play in friendly games, but they can't play official tournaments or official competitive games until they reach 18. That's why players like Rubin, Junior Flores, Yomba, and Akale can't/couldn't officially sign with their respective teams until they hit 18.

Junior Flores, Rubin, Yomba, Akale etc... are allowed to train with said academies, but not actually sign and play until they are 18.

Lederman was signed by Barcelona and he subsequently played in official tournaments and competitive matches which is against A. US child labor laws, and B. foreign child labor laws. Hence he can only train unofficially with Barcelona.


I don't think this is entirely accurate. US, Spanish, and EU child labor laws appear to be largely irrelevant in this situation. FIFA Article 19 is the reason why Barcelona is in hot water. It prohibits the international transfer of minors (both professional and amateur).

The exemption that Barcelona most likely tried (and failed) to use as grounds to transfer youth players was Article 19, paragraph 2, subsection (a): The player's parents move to the country in which the new club is located for reasons not linked to football;

Mojofc
Post #14
Saturday August 22, 2015 4:10am

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And Ben is out of Barcelona. Regulations, not due to his quality. Huge decision ahead for him.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #15
Saturday August 22, 2015 5:14am

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Yes and FIFA has that bit of legislation due to international child labor laws.

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