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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #286
Tuesday February 23, 2021 2:34pm

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Original post from BG6

This is absolutely not accurate unless you count the annual "plans in the works" leaked from Kraft around season ticket renewal time that amount to nothing more than marketing gig.


Hmm read an article awhile back that they had picked a site etc. Don't know if it's smoke and mirrors but all teams are required to have a soccer specific stadium soon right? They can only share if the stadium was built to share like Atlanta's or so I thought. I don't remember the dates but some time in the 2020s I guess I will have to look that up.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #287
Tuesday February 23, 2021 2:39pm

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So did a little research. I guess the requirement has been removed. I think playing on turf makes us look like a Mickey Mouse league wish they would push through with SSS requirements.

Lilshmike
Post #288
Tuesday February 23, 2021 5:27pm

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Original post from Kamphgruppe

So did a little research. I guess the requirement has been removed. I think playing on turf makes us look like a Mickey Mouse league wish they would push through with SSS requirements.
I'm less concerned with the turf and more concerned with soccer specific stadiums.

Seattle and Atlanta have done a good job in football stadiums, but bringing it around to Kraft and the Revs, it just looks poor on TV. Same with NYCFC. How can MLS expect international recognition and respect with a supposed flagship franchise playing in a baseball stadium that doesn't even fill up?

Pretty much all of the other teams have done alright, but those 2 in particular are irritating.

hamsamwich
Post #289
Tuesday February 23, 2021 6:14pm

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Turf is for rec league fields in towns that have a smaller budget. No upkeep or grounds keepers etc. it's a dangerous surface for players (was it Henry, Gerrard or Ibra who refused to play on it??) and is not good for player safety. We will never know if Morris knees are a result of years on the turf but it can't help.
It's also a joke to play on when it rains - and of course that's where these places are. It's a shame a league as rich as the NFL scrapes pennies on turf but it's just not good for a sport where the ball is on the ground.
Someone get Roger Bossard on the phone...

hamsamwich
Post #290
Tuesday February 23, 2021 6:42pm

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And what about Atlanta, Vancouver, Portland (maybe soon)do you think @kamphgruppe? I didn't include Cincinnati they will be on grass in 2021. Like I said if Minnesota, KC, Chicago can do it so can the other places (I believe of the remaining places not including Cincy that the ground does not freeze which is usually the previous reason for turf. The need for subsoil heating to protect the roots.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #291
Tuesday February 23, 2021 10:30pm

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So it was apparently the Atlanta experience that made them remove the requirement for all teams to have SSS. That stadium was built to be converted between the 2 sports and they were packing the stadium. The original requirement for SSS had dramatically improved attendance when the league was faltering. So I guess the new requirement is that any new stadiums built that share with NFL team must be able to configure to Soccer (not have American football lines on the field etc.) There is currently no requirement that prohibits turf.

As we stand right now there are 6 teams that play on turf and 2 of the teams share with NFL in stadiums that do not convert.

Seattle Sounders
Atlanta United
FC Cincinnati
New England Revolution
Portland Timbers
Vancouver Whitecaps

The League does not get the respect it deserves for the level of play. I think the turf is one of the things that contribute to this misconception. If you truly want a league that will be recognized globally then there should be no teams that play on turf even if they share with NFL teams like Atlanta does. There are of course several European teams that also have Turf like the Young Boys so it's not completely unheard of but no league has as many teams as MLS does.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #292
Wednesday February 24, 2021 1:48am

Joined May 2013
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Just for reference the Quakes FO, one of the most miserly in MLS, is finally breaking down and replacing their crap field with a state of the art grass hybrid field...small amount of synthetic with real grass. The same stuff they played the 2018 WC final on.

If the freaking Quakes can pull it off, there is no excuse for the other clubs to not upgrade their crap turf.

Lilshmike
Post #293
Wednesday February 24, 2021 2:54pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,602
Original post from Kamphgruppe

So it was apparently the Atlanta experience that made them remove the requirement for all teams to have SSS. That stadium was built to be converted between the 2 sports and they were packing the stadium. The original requirement for SSS had dramatically improved attendance when the league was faltering. So I guess the new requirement is that any new stadiums built that share with NFL team must be able to configure to Soccer (not have American football lines on the field etc.) There is currently no requirement that prohibits turf.

As we stand right now there are 6 teams that play on turf and 2 of the teams share with NFL in stadiums that do not convert.

Seattle Sounders
Atlanta United
FC Cincinnati
New England Revolution
Portland Timbers
Vancouver Whitecaps

The League does not get the respect it deserves for the level of play. I think the turf is one of the things that contribute to this misconception. If you truly want a league that will be recognized globally then there should be no teams that play on turf even if they share with NFL teams like Atlanta does. There are of course several European teams that also have Turf like the Young Boys so it's not completely unheard of but no league has as many teams as MLS does.
You also can't have a supposed flagship franchise NYCFC playing in a baseball stadium that doesn't fill up.

Nor can you have what should be a huge franchise in the Revs playing in a 60k+ capacity stadium and only having maybe 15k show up for games.

That's embarrassing.

Lots of Eastern European clubs play on turf and still get respect.

hamsamwich
Post #294
Wednesday February 24, 2021 3:05pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Again Eastern Europe is poor and situated where it freezes. Atlanta not having grass is a travesty. I can buy grass at the Home Depot.

**they will have grass for the World Cup in 2026 supposedly but that's a long way away. Didn't Josef Martinez blow his knee out last year??

And yes the whole yankee stadium thing is a joke nobody laughs at.

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