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MSantoine
Post #181
Monday May 9, 2016 12:33pm

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i also agree. I like Morris but 20-30 million is usually for the 18-20 year old potential studs, not 23 yr olds.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #182
Monday May 9, 2016 4:10pm

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Original post from dolcem

There is virtually no way a European team is going to spend 20-30 million on a 23-24 year old MLS player. It's madness. The record transfer for an MLS player was Altidore's 10 million from NJRB and he was an 18 year old prodigy with a scary physique. The best MLS product of all time, Clint Dempsey, was never worth anywhere near 20 million. I don't know where you get the idea that I "hate" MLS but clearly I'm more objective here because there's no way our transfer record is getting tripled for a 23-24 year old. You might think that Morris is worth that, but fairly or unfairly, no European team is going to risk spending 20-30 million for an MLS player. We've had successes and failures going abroad, but we've never produced a player that was worth 20-30 million, so there is no way a European team will risk that kind of money.

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dolcem
Post #183
Monday May 9, 2016 6:16pm

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Original post from Rey Regicide

I'm not taking sides, just trying to work this out arithmetically.

How much do you think giovinco is worth, he's the best player right? in the MLS

if a European team were to evaluate him, how much would they splash?

Then factor in thle age difference, and room for potential, and like you said international callups, although truth be told, formica has gotten intl callups of late right? So he might shine there too.

Whatever that figure amounts to giovinco, you would have to adjust accordingly for Morris and Morris's game woul dhave to supersede his by that difference right? Or am I totally off base here.


Giovinco was produced outside the MLS and was an Italian international before he came here. He's a great player. But the MLS never developed a player worth $20 million.

I think you could make the argument that MLS players are undervalued, that's fine, and maybe we think Morris is that much of a stud, that's fine too. But no European team will spend that kind of money on a player developed in the MLS. It hasn't been done before. Some day, it'll happen all of the time, but we're not there yet. We need an MLS product to go abroad and start killing it in Europe for teams to believe they could be worth that kind of money. It's just how the market works. Not even Liga MX commands those kind of transfer fees.
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Rey Regicide
Post #184
Monday May 9, 2016 7:17pm

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Original post from dolcem

Giovinco was produced outside the MLS and was an Italian international before he came here. He's a great player. But the MLS never developed a player worth $20 million.

I think you could make the argument that MLS players are undervalued, that's fine, and maybe we think Morris is that much of a stud, that's fine too. But no European team will spend that kind of money on a player developed in the MLS. It hasn't been done before. Some day, it'll happen all of the time, but we're not there yet. We need an MLS product to go abroad and start killing it in Europe for teams to believe they could be worth that kind of money. It's just how the market works. Not even Liga MX commands those kind of transfer fees.


yea, true, Pulisic would optimistically go for 30 million right? And he's like our crown jewel pie in the sky hopeful for european stardom.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #185
Monday May 9, 2016 8:58pm

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Unless MLS changes a lot going forward, I don't anticipate ever seeing that sort of sum being offered for an MLS player. Big clubs are scouting over here enough to where any kid that could potentially be that caliber of player will be gobbled up and taken overseas before they get out of the academy. Any player worth that kind of transfer fee is going to want/deserve a 7 digit annual wage and unless you're the 1% of the 1% in MLS that isn't going to happen under the current wage structures.

This is in no way a knock on MLS, just a plain statement of fact. It's a widely accepted that under the current league/single-entity structure we'll never be able to compete with the top leagues in the world in terms of attracting young talent that could conceivably be sold on to other top leagues for such large transfer fees.

dolcem
Post #186
Tuesday May 10, 2016 12:24pm

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Original post from Rey Regicide

yea, true, Pulisic would optimistically go for 30 million right? And he's like our crown jewel pie in the sky hopeful for european stardom.


Pulisic could go for that kind of money but that's because he's a product of the Dortmund youth system, and they have in the past produced players of that caliber. So other clubs would be willing to risk that kind of money on him.
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TheTruth
Post #187
Tuesday May 10, 2016 2:43pm

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Listen, a young American MLS player will get $20M transfer one day. Maybe not next week, but within 5 years? Sure.

MSantoine
Post #188
Tuesday May 10, 2016 5:03pm

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Yedlin didnt even get 3 million Euros.

You know what kind of player is valued around 30m? Benetke. Kane. Stones. Fernandinho. 20m guys are Navas, Ox, Blind, Yaya Toure.

Morris is no where near those guys.

If Wood is going to get in the 3.5m range (rumored) having scored almost 20 goals in 2.bundes theres no way Morris gets that much more. Morris will be lucky to go for 10m.

Now he could go for 3-8m to Germany or Netherlands and then two years later go for 20m but no way he goes from MLS to EPL/Germany for that kind of money

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #189
Tuesday May 10, 2016 5:26pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Yedlin didnt even get 3 million Euros.

You know what kind of player is valued around 30m? Benetke. Kane. Stones. Fernandinho. 20m guys are Navas, Ox, Blind, Yaya Toure.

Morris is no where near those guys.

If Wood is going to get in the 3.5m range (rumored) having scored almost 20 goals in 2.bundes theres no way Morris gets that much more. Morris will be lucky to go for 10m.

Now he could go for 3-8m to Germany or Netherlands and then two years later go for 20m but no way he goes from MLS to EPL/Germany for that kind of money


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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #190
Sunday July 3, 2016 3:07am

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And this is why I say Morris has the potential to be a World Class striker.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/07/02/goal...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #191
Sunday July 3, 2016 3:12am

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Original post from dolcem

Pulisic could go for that kind of money but that's because he's a product of the Dortmund youth system, and they have in the past produced players of that caliber. So other clubs would be willing to risk that kind of money on him.


How does being in Dortmunds youth academy for a year make him a product of said academy? He is more a product of the USSF youth academy system.

goods
Post #192
Sunday July 3, 2016 5:51am

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There was some ice in those veins on that one. Very impressive. I see a 4-1-3-2 formation in Sept. Would love to see Wood up top with Morris. I have felt they have played off each other well plus their speed and size would drive CB's crazy

hamsamwich
Post #193
Sunday July 3, 2016 6:36am

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I think that's the 2018 partnership in Russia if Morris can just keep playing and improving.

Dave
Post #194
Sunday July 3, 2016 7:07am

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@goods - We are not going to see a combination of Wood & Morris anytime in the near future. Since Morris has a similar style and some of the same attributes as Wood.
IMO expect Morris to be used predominantly be used as a backup/replacement for Wood. This will allow the team to play the same way in the event Wood is injured or suspended for any reason.
Additionally you have to consider the number of attacking options that we have or are beginning to emerge. Dempsey & Jozy aren't done yet and provide significant experience. Wood & Zardes are pushing to keep starting roles. Johannsson & Gyau are trying to get healthy & return to International level. Then there are a handful of players who are just breaking into the US squad....Pulisic, Morris, Rubin; and couple of promising prospects right behind them....Perez & Wright
For a change we have some real options developing at attacking positions. Formations, versatility, player form, and (obviously) player health will determine which attackers JK decides to use. But I just don't see JK rolling out 2 strikers who are so similar at the same time.

blaise213
Post #195
Sunday July 3, 2016 8:59am

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Original post from 2tone

And this is why I say Morris has the potential to be a World Class striker.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2016/07/02/goal...


Agree but we have an idiot coach! God I hope the rumors to England are true

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