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Post #151
Monday April 25, 2016 6:05pm

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Would you have considered Bale world class at Tottenham? Has Chicharitto not been world class this year? Yes, world class players end up on those teams. However, I think many times players who are at the top of there games and can be world class get blocked for many reasons from playing and end up regressing, such as Chicharitto did with Man U and Real Madrid.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #152
Monday April 25, 2016 6:32pm

Joined Jul 2013
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World Class shouldn't be limited to just players actually on those top teams, but players who can actually be starting for those teams.
So Bale at Tottenham absolutely was World Class, as is Harry Kane currently for Tottenham.
I'd break it down like this:
Shown ability to start for one of the top teams in the world (Bayern M, Real madrid, Barcelona, Arsenal, ManU, Chelsea, Man City, Athletico Madrid, Dortmund, Juventus, and PSG) either over a couple years time, OR with one very good season.
It is a fluid group.

Historically a very low percentage of youth (U-23) that show the ability to potentially be World Class, actually make it to World Class status. Lets say it's at 20% (probably even lower). Lets say we have:
Pulisic
Yedlin
Morris
CCV
Brooks
Miazga
Zelalem
Olusunde
Rubin
Green
Perez
Lennon
Scott
Hyndman
Palmer-Brown

Those are the only ones that you would put at having a decent shot of getting to that level at this moment. Sure there are others that are long shots, but that's what I would say right now. That's 15. You are looking at 3 of them actually being World Class if the 20% holds up.

Which quite frankly I'd be ecstatic if we turned out 3 World Class players. Because quite frankly they would be the truly first 3 World Class players in our history.

Personally I'd bet on a smaller number than that. Probably like 2. Which I'd still be ok with.

If we go from ZERO World Class players to having 3-4 in ONE Generation. That would be classified as a Golden Generation.

With the US I also rarely talk about Goal Keepers and World Class. Because it's rarely an issue with us. Most years we have a World Class Goalkeeper. Tim Howard was absolutely World Class for most of his time at Everton. I'd say Guzan was World class 2-3 years ago. But both of their form has fallen off. So not so much anymore. I can see Horvath being World Class level in a couple seasons, and possibly Steffen later too. Cropper with an outside chance as well.
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MSantoine
Post #153
Monday April 25, 2016 9:03pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
@Gunner.

Bingo. You dont have to be playing for one of those teams to be World Class, its the fact that you'd make that team better if you were on it.

Also @goods- I wouldn't consider Chicharito World Class. He is in great form. Having a great year, but he pretty much showed he's no longer World Class (he would have been considered World Class ~2010-13 when he was one of the best strikers in the world and won 2 EPL championships and scored over 30 goals for Mexico)

Rey Regicide
Post #154
Monday April 25, 2016 10:08pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
yea inzaghi wasn't world class, but dude scored goals...

how would you rate Klose?

I feel like maybe world class is sometimes a misnomer, like you would want a forward doing many things at once, like ibrahimovic over klose

but in my opinion klose is way better finisher than Ibra.

MSantoine
Post #155
Tuesday April 26, 2016 12:39pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Rey Regicide

yea inzaghi wasn't world class, but dude scored goals...

how would you rate Klose?

I feel like maybe world class is sometimes a misnomer, like you would want a forward doing many things at once, like ibrahimovic over klose

but in my opinion klose is way better finisher than Ibra.


Klose was a world class finisher( I loved his 06 performance) There were always forwards/strikers better then him, but his finishing skills were second to none.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #156
Tuesday April 26, 2016 2:53pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
.....Klose to NYRB?

hamsamwich
Post #157
Tuesday April 26, 2016 3:21pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,441
Inzaghi was world class are you joking. Guy could finish, especially as a young player. I'm not a Mexico, chicharito or Man U fan but his first couple years there were special. Has scored a lot for Leverkusen this year as well.

Jordan Morris has world class ability to read the game and make runs, that's for sure. His finishing skills are nice too. Composed player going at the goal. It's the other parts of his game that need work. A project to be sure, but one we all want to watch play because he can make something happen.

Rey Regicide
Post #158
Tuesday April 26, 2016 3:43pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Not my words

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filippo_Inzaghi...

I would agree that anyone who got results the way he did should merit that distinction. But My feeling is that he is like Dempsey, you lump them with messi ibra suarez and you'll take one over the other. All the time.

But I agree the guy was a beast.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #159
Tuesday April 26, 2016 5:42pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 572
[b]But I agree the guy was a beast.

At the risk of sounding like adms....I bet at 42 years old the guy could have been Villas leading scorer this year.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #160
Sunday May 1, 2016 1:02pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,049
So Morris scores his third goal in as many games. Also it was with his left foot for those who worry about that.

TheTruth
Post #161
Sunday May 1, 2016 2:46pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 954
Who were the dumshitz on here who were pissing their pants out because Morris hadn't scored in his first few games?

dunlopp9987
Post #162
Sunday May 1, 2016 2:55pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,647
Original post from TheTruth

Who were the dumshitz on here who were pissing their pants out because Morris hadn't scored in his first few games?


There's always going to be that group. And Jordan will likely go through a rough patch or two again at some point this season. And that's to be expected. And it's also not a problem.
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hamsamwich
Post #163
Sunday May 1, 2016 3:02pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,441
I have only said regarding his move to Seattle - that he would now be compared with his other MLS counterparts: Zardes, Wondo, etc. and that his production would decide how far he goes. So far he has been doing that. I was however a bit concerned with never seeing him use that left foot. The last month or so has started to dispell that (something that's not just a fan thing, he must show the defenders he will go left or they will shade him too much). As I said a few pages back, his runs in behind are world class, he just needs time to work on his technical skills. For team USA, I would use him as an impact sub over Wondo or Zardes (his speed and runs kill tired defenders), but never as a starter at this point.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #164
Sunday May 1, 2016 3:21pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 210
I agree, wood should start. If we're up bring in Morris to reward wood for working his butt off. If we're tied or down bring in Jozy for one of three mids (assuming 4-1-4-1 as we saw in the World Cup) to shift to a 4-4-2. Like I've said before Jozy scores goals for the Nats no matter how lazy he is

hamsamwich
Post #165
Sunday May 1, 2016 3:27pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,441
I'd personally start Wood and Jozy together, I think they have the legs to play multiple games in a row at a tournament. Dempsey, while being our best player, should get some starts as the tourney goes on, use him in a fresher capacity in the more important games. But it's on our younger players to push us forward. Dempsey just isn't a 90'+ player for USA at this point, not every game.

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