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2tone
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Post #1
Friday January 2, 2015 6:31pm

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So Jordan Morris turned down a Seattle Sounders HG contract and is returning to Stanford. Supposedly the two parties had been negotiating for awhile, but in the end Morris felt the deal wasn't good enough.

Now he could still go and trial somewhere in Europe, but it looks increasingly like he just isn't ready to leave Stanford.

So with that in mind I won't be projecting him with the USMNT the next year.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #2
Friday January 2, 2015 6:44pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I'm ok with this, no point in going to college instead of turning pro out of high school if you're not going to get a degree out of it...makes no sense to me when kids go to college for two years then turn pro.

navi8132
New York
Post #3
Friday January 2, 2015 6:55pm

Joined Jul 2012
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skangles
DC
Post #4
Friday January 2, 2015 8:43pm

Joined Jan 2013
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Bummer. This year's superdraft is also going to be weak with Yaro returning to Georgetown. I think Yedlin was on $75k initially and he was a pretty hyped up HG player. Otherwise the HG contracts can be as low as $42k. I can't blame kids for sticking it out in college as opposed to leaving for a salary that they could potentially earn outside of soccer with their degree after they graduate (which wouldn't disappear in their thirties or with a fluke injury).

I hate seeing top prospects wasting time in the NCAA but from their perspective I understand. MLS really needs to find a better way to financially entice elite HG prospects in the next CBA.

blaise213
Post #5
Friday January 2, 2015 9:28pm

Joined Sep 2012
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MLS isn't as lucrative yet to want to skip college like it is with the NBA or MLB. Those kids skip college because they get paid. Plus the kid is white so he values a college education over the ego. #truth

rainORshine
Post #6
Friday January 2, 2015 10:26pm

Joined Dec 2012
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turns 21 this year and still in college?

absolutely no reason to even pay attention to this guy until he starts playing against professionals. as far forwards go he is entering middle age. suppose he could be a late bloomer but no reason to think he will do anything special

USMNT? thats a joke, right? (and yes, i realize JK had him train with team once)

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #7
Friday January 2, 2015 11:28pm

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Original post from rainORshine

turns 21 this year and still in college?

absolutely no reason to even pay attention to this guy until he starts playing against professionals. as far forwards go he is entering middle age. suppose he could be a late bloomer but no reason to think he will do anything special

USMNT? thats a joke, right? (and yes, i realize JK had him train with team once)


Train with the team once? No. He trained during the WC camp, and was called up twice in the fall. And no it wasn't a joke. If he would have signed an HG contract he definitely would have been in the Gold Cup plans.

Kid has a lot of talent. He is the core of the U-23 team.

Your beloved Kljestan was a college player for 3 years.

rainORshine
Post #8
Saturday January 3, 2015 12:29am

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Original post from 2tone

Train with the team once? No. He trained during the WC camp, and was called up twice in the fall. And no it wasn't a joke. If he would have signed an HG contract he definitely would have been in the Gold Cup plans.

Kid has a lot of talent. He is the core of the U-23 team.

Your beloved Kljestan was a college player for 3 years.


and, like anyone else, it would have been a joke to speculate that he might make a Copa America full MNT roster before he turned professional

saying "if" this and "if" that does not make it any more sensible

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #9
Saturday January 3, 2015 12:47am

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Perfect. Every other country has their young prospects playing pro soccer in lower divisions or training with pro teams. Ours go back to college. We are forever screwed. It's not about the $ Morris.. Then we have Juan who just doesn't play. Perfect.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
skangles
DC
Post #10
Saturday January 3, 2015 1:20am

Joined Jan 2013
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There's a new article up on ASN about how MLS has been low-balling college undergrads and cannot get any of the top prospects to sign Generation Adidas deals.

http://americansoccernow.com/articles/mls-low...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #11
Saturday January 3, 2015 2:37am

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Original post from rainORshine

and, like anyone else, it would have been a joke to speculate that he might make a Copa America full MNT roster before he turned professional

saying "if" this and "if" that does not make it any more sensible


It looked like he was going to sign a Seattle contract. All signs pointed to that being a strong possibility.

It was a projection. Not a certainty. It happens. Might as well not project any rosters. Everything is an "if" when projecting.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #12
Saturday January 3, 2015 2:57am

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Original post from snipes87

Perfect. Every other country has their young prospects playing pro soccer in lower divisions or training with pro teams. Ours go back to college. We are forever screwed. It's not about the $ Morris.. Then we have Juan who just doesn't play. Perfect.


This is the United States where education is top priority. It will always be that way for the most part. You hear of a lot of soccer players in Europe saying they wish they had the opportunity to get an education while playing soccer. A lot of players envy that about the US. Leo Stoltz(who is German) opted out of a lucrative deal with a Bundesliga team to come play College soccer at UCLA because he wanted an education.

People need to realize the good things about our system instead of focusing on the bad.

Morris will have an opportunity to still play pro soccer at 21-22. He could feasibly play in 2 or 3 WC's if in fact he does turn out to be just as good if not better than Dempsey(who by the way played 3 years of College soccer).

Look most of us know College Soccer needs to reform, and it would be nice to see players bypass College, but lets be real I wouldn't skip the opportunity to go to Stanford. It's not like USSF and MLS are churning out young talented American players who have bypassed College.

Landon Donovan, John O'Brien, Michael Bradley, and Jozy Altidore are really the only players to have good careers when bypassing College. Rubio Rubin has a good start. But really who in MLS is tearing it up by bypassing College? Freddy Adu was decent, but is now pretty much a fringe player at best. Eddie Gaven had a decent career, but has now retired from Soccer at the age of 26. Diego Fagundez? inconsistent. Omar Salgado? injuries hurt him. Jose Villarreal? may have benefitted from going to College for a few years. Tristan Bowen? not great.

Yes we would all like to see Jordan Morris playing in MLS because we would really like to see what he is all about, but it looks like that is going to have to wait for another year.

hamsamwich
Post #13
Saturday January 3, 2015 3:07am

Joined Oct 2013
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I feel bad only because 2tone was so hyped up and considered this a done deal.

I'm fine with this- if he blows up and plays well at the Olympics I'm sure he will have plenty of offers. He can play. USMNT, the full version was always a little too much to ask for this upcoming year but I wouldn't be shocked to see him at the jan camp here or there depending on his college class schedule.

skangles
DC
Post #14
Saturday January 3, 2015 3:50am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,448
Original post from 2tone

Landon Donovan, John O'Brien, Michael Bradley, and Jozy Altidore are really the only players to have good careers when bypassing College. Rubio Rubin has a good start. But really who in MLS is tearing it up by bypassing College? Freddy Adu was decent, but is now pretty much a fringe player at best. Eddie Gaven had a decent career, but has now retired from Soccer at the age of 26. Diego Fagundez? inconsistent. Omar Salgado? injuries hurt him. Jose Villarreal? may have benefitted from going to College for a few years. Tristan Bowen? not great.



I'm not disagreeing with your point but to add on for the fun of it, we need to include Beasley and Tim Howard to the list of really successful players that bypassed college, let's call them Tier 1 players.

EJ was one of the most exciting young prospects when he burst onto the scene. His career has had its peaks and valleys but overall I'd consider his career a success (not to the same degree as the Tier 1s so he's Tier 2).

Beckerman is a late bloomer but he's at least a Tier 2, great club career and an important player at a World Cup.

Bobby Convey was really doing well with Reading before injuries derailed him. Honestly, I'm shocked how long Convey has managed to stick around the MLS.

Jonathan Spector should be a Tier 2 player, he's had a solid career.

A number of Mexican Americans skipped college, all of whom I'd call Tier 2 players:
Edgar Castillo
Orozco Fiscal
Herc
Jose Torres

We also have an MLS MVP in Mike Magee!

Santino Quaranta is a push for Tier 2 but his name came to mind, decent MLS player.

The verdict is still out on Shea, Wood, Gyau, McInerney, Garza, Gil and Agudelo although Shea has enough MNT caps to probably be considered Tier 2 already.

Hamid is also unproven but I'm really excited about his development.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #15
Saturday January 3, 2015 5:13am

Joined Jul 2012
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Yeah I always forget that Howard didn't go to College. For some reason I always think he did one year in college.

Yeah Beasley had a very good career.

EJ had a decent career.

But if you compare those players to lets say Reyna, Ramos, McBride, Dempsey, Onyewu, Holden, Wynalda, Cherundolo, Harkes, Sanneh, Joe Max-Moore, and Pope who all went to college the only players that really match those guys who bypassed College career wise are: Donovan, Beasley, and Howard.

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