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2tone
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Post #1
Tuesday December 30, 2014 6:44am

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With news coming down that Zelalem is now a US citizen and more than likely commiting to the USMNT I am now going to project a 23 man USMNT roster and starting 11:

23 man roster:

GK: Hamid, Howard, Guzan

Defense: Yedlin, Chandler, Garza, Alvarado, Jones, Hedges, Brooks, Besler

CM's: Bradley, Zelalem, Diskerud, Cameron, Morales

Attackers: Morris, Altidore, ArJo, Deuce(last tournament), Nagbe, Green, Rubin

Starting 11:

Morris-------Arjo------Nagbe
-------Zelalem----Bradley----
------------Cam----------
Alvarado----Brooks---Jones---Yedlin
-------------Guzan----------

Yes I know some of these players could ultimately be on the Olympic team instead, but right now making the Olympics is not a guarantee.

Jzaval01
Post #2
Tuesday December 30, 2014 6:57am

Joined May 2013
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Original post from 2tone

With news coming down that Zelalem is now a US citizen and more than likely commiting to the USMNT I am now going to project a 23 man USMNT roster and starting 11:

23 man roster:

GK: Hamid, Howard, Guzan

Defense: Yedlin, Chandler, Garza, Alvarado, Jones, Hedges, Brooks, Besler

CM's: Bradley, Zelalem, Diskerud, Cameron, Morales

Attackers: Morris, Altidore, ArJo, Deuce(last tournament), Nagbe, Green, Rubin

Starting 11:

Morris----Arjo---Nagbe
----Zelalem--Bradley--
------Cam-----
Alvarado--Brooks--Jones--Yedlin
-------Guzan-----

Yes I know some of these players could ultimately be on the Olympic team instead, but right now making the Olympics is not a guarantee.


You forgot Gyau! haha I think i would put him over Morris just based on level of experience

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #3
Tuesday December 30, 2014 3:43pm

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I gotta disagree with 2tone that making the Olympics is a foregone conclusion...it totally is. We're holding our own in all levels of international youth competition and our last failure to qualify was down to the players assuming they were going to progress no matter what...a mistake the coaching staff won't soon let them repeat. Plus, we have the kids on the U21/U20/U17 squads that can seriously contend for starting spots on the U23 team, so competition for places will drive performances on the field.

Can't wait, I'm excited to see what we can do with such raw talent and potential.

tylercocinas
Post #4
Tuesday December 30, 2014 3:50pm

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Given the format of Olympic qualifying it can't be considered a foregone conclusion. That being said, the last few years there's been a trend in Olympic qualification in which the US only qualifies every other Olympics, so in theory if the trend holds then this would be our year to make an appearance.

Know Nothing
Post #5
Tuesday December 30, 2014 4:07pm

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I gotta question why all the love for Zelalem? Is it because he made the bench and got some minutes in a meaningless CL match because Arsenal can't keep players healthy.

Don't get me wrong, from what I've seen he is a good player...but one can argue Hyndman and Trapp are equally deserving and getting first team minutes. If you are going on youth exploits, Kyle Scott has been equally impressive.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #6
Tuesday December 30, 2014 4:46pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

I gotta question why all the love for Zelalem? Is it because he made the bench and got some minutes in a meaningless CL match because Arsenal can't keep players healthy.

Don't get me wrong, from what I've seen he is a good player...but one can argue Hyndman and Trapp are equally deserving and getting first team minutes. If you are going on youth exploits, Kyle Scott has been equally impressive.


For me, it's because he's (so far at least) following the Cesc Fabregas path, and Wenger and the fans are all quite high on him...

I think the Hyndman/Trapp comparison is kinda apples/oranges, since you have to look at the players above GZ that are keeping him out of the squad. If Fulham or Columbus had the quality in midfield that Arsenal has, would those two still be getting regular minutes/starts?

Know Nothing
Post #7
Tuesday December 30, 2014 5:43pm

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Original post from recycledhumans

For me, it's because he's (so far at least) following the Cesc Fabregas path, and Wenger and the fans are all quite high on him...

I think the Hyndman/Trapp comparison is kinda apples/oranges, since you have to look at the players above GZ that are keeping him out of the squad. If Fulham or Columbus had the quality in midfield that Arsenal has, would those two still be getting regular minutes/starts?


Well given the injury to Arteta and the poor form of Flamini, if Trapp or Hyndman were at Arsenal I believe they would have at least made the bench as much as Zelalem but it does not mitigate the fact that they are playing first team minutes on a regular basis.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #8
Tuesday December 30, 2014 6:01pm

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Original post from recycledhumans

I gotta disagree with 2tone that making the Olympics is a foregone conclusion...it totally is. We're holding our own in all levels of international youth competition and our last failure to qualify was down to the players assuming they were going to progress no matter what...a mistake the coaching staff won't soon let them repeat. Plus, we have the kids on the U21/U20/U17 squads that can seriously contend for starting spots on the U23 team, so competition for places will drive performances on the field.

Can't wait, I'm excited to see what we can do with such raw talent and potential.


I didn't say it was a foregone conclusion, I said it wasn't a guarantee.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #9
Tuesday December 30, 2014 6:39pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from 2tone

I didn't say it was a foregone conclusion, I said it wasn't a guarantee.


tomato - tomAHto? A guaranteed result is a foregone conclusion, yes?

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #10
Tuesday December 30, 2014 6:49pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from recycledhumans

tomato - tomAHto? A guaranteed result is a foregone conclusion, yes?


You are changing the context in which that term is being applied.

Being in the Copa America 2016 tournament is a guarantee because the USMNT has already been invited to participate. Being in the Olympics for men's soccer is not a guarantee because the US still has to qualify. Therefore not a guarantee

Foregone conclusion means that the end result is regarded as inevitable. Meaning if I had used foregone conclusion instead of guarantee; I would be essentially saying that the USMNT will not be going to the Olympics regardless of the qualifying tournament results.

So context matters.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #11
Tuesday December 30, 2014 6:57pm

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I don't think a 19 year old Zelalem will be starting in our mid field next summer for Copa.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #12
Tuesday December 30, 2014 7:11pm

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Original post from snipes87

I don't think a 19 year old Zelalem will be starting in our mid field next summer for Copa.


You never know.

Rey Regicide
Post #13
Tuesday December 30, 2014 7:31pm

Joined Sep 2013
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If he manages to crack Arsenal's starting 18, and Arsenal doesn't go the way of Liverpool (sorry pool fans) then he most certainly does become a starter.

Unless of course Pulisic, Flores, Hyndman, Green and co. become starters in their clubs at the highest level, making less room for CM's or CAM's.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #14
Tuesday December 30, 2014 8:03pm

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I just want to point out that Arsene Wenger and the coaches at Arsenal have been talking this kid up for about 2 and half years. That's why USMNT fans are excited.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #15
Tuesday December 30, 2014 8:07pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Original post from 2tone

You are changing the context in which that term is being applied.

Being in the Copa America 2016 tournament is a guarantee because the USMNT has already been invited to participate. Being in the Olympics for men's soccer is not a guarantee because the US still has to qualify. Therefore not a guarantee

Foregone conclusion means that the end result is regarded as inevitable. Meaning if I had used foregone conclusion instead of guarantee; I would be essentially saying that the USMNT will not be going to the Olympics regardless of the qualifying tournament results.

So context matters.


Fair enough, semantics are usually made to work in my favor but I'll slink back into the corner for now.

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