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stone88
Post #1
Monday December 15, 2014 11:15pm

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This came out of left field. AJ Soares apparently going to Hellas Verona in the Serie A. Soares is good, but I'm not quite sure he is Serie A good.

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2014/12...

skangles
DC
Post #2
Monday December 15, 2014 11:44pm

Joined Jan 2013
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This is a head scratcher. I didn't watch too many Revs games last season but from what I saw he looked like a decent MLS level defender but nothing special. Soares and Farrell jointly laid a turd in MLS Cup, I'm surprised that his performnce didnt negatively affect him.

Anyway, good for him. I hope he does well.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #3
Tuesday December 16, 2014 12:01am

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Congrats to him. We will see if he is a vastly underrated CB in USMNT fan circles or if he can play at the Serie A level. Hellas is sitting in 13 place, and will probably be battling relegation, so it should be interesting to see if he gets some opportunities after their Christmas break in Italy.

More CB options is not a bad thing for the USMNT. Especially another CB playing at a higher level in Italy.

chillguy1992
Post #4
Tuesday December 16, 2014 2:31am

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He is a good player I am not sure if he will be able to crack the starting 11 of Hellas Verona though. I like this move though. If you want to crack the usmnt and you feel you arent getting opportunities while playing in mls, a better league is always a good shot at getting on juergens radar. I think he will deffiently get a call up in the next european friendly window if he is healthy juergen wants players to challenge themselves and Soares is doing just that.

Jzaval01
Post #5
Tuesday December 16, 2014 4:11am

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I get a feeling he will do well and be another option for USMNT if you want to standout in the national team radar than go to EUrope

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #6
Tuesday December 16, 2014 6:00am

Joined May 2013
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Great move for Soares...he's going to get a real education over there. I wish all our defenders had the opportunity to play in Italy.

Live490
Texas
Post #7
Tuesday December 16, 2014 6:15am

Joined Mar 2013
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He can learn from the one of the top three defenders of the world during his prime, Dirty Marquez.

jabbajolly
Post #8
Tuesday December 16, 2014 7:24am

Joined Nov 2014
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Good for him! Love to see moves like these.

I know absolutely zilch about Hellas Verona.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #9
Tuesday December 16, 2014 8:04am

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He will learn nothing from that douche...hopefully he goes there and takes his spot and puts him on the bench.

dolcem
Post #10
Tuesday December 16, 2014 1:22pm

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While he doesn't gets the plaudits from most MLS, I've heard some really knowledgeable people rant and rave about this guy.

The move is a surprise but we need to remember that the gap between the MLS and the top European leagues is still massive, not just in terms of the players and (especially) the coaching, but mostly in the style of play. Very good players sometimes struggle in the MLS (for a variety of reasons, one being that sometimes they want to do things more advanced than what their teamates are) and some really crappy players have torn up the league.

I am not going to pretend I have watched him play a lot but my guess is that the scouts recognized that he is a quality player with a lot of potential but sometimes looks bad or gets exposed because of poor team defending. It's really difficult to evaluate CB's because a good defense requires pretty much 10 players doings their part.

While Italian soccer is in serious decline, especially in terms of youth development, it's a great place for CB's. Really happy about this because our CB options are so weak. If he gets regular playing time in Serie A a starting spot would probably be his to lose.
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MSantoine
Post #11
Tuesday December 16, 2014 6:03pm

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I think how he fares will go along way towards possibly changing the perception of US and MLS guys in general. If you can have a middling (seriously would Soares be a top 10 CB if you listed them? Top 20? Top 30?) defenseman can go to Serie A and contribute that would be huge for the league. Just because of that reason I hope he does well.

tylercocinas
Post #12
Tuesday December 16, 2014 8:34pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from jabbajolly

Good for him! Love to see moves like these.

I know absolutely zilch about Hellas Verona.


Aside from Rafa, I know they're the archrivals of Chievo, who MB used to play for. I think I remember reading an article that Hellas submitted a bid for MB when they first earned promotion a few seasons back.

More than anything this shows the benefits of having an EU passport. Those mid to low tier clubs in the top 4 leagues are probably more willing than we realize to take the chance on MLS players but the issues that come up if you don't have work authorization are no joke.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #13
Tuesday December 16, 2014 11:43pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from tylercocinas

Aside from Rafa, I know they're the archrivals of Chievo, who MB used to play for. I think I remember reading an article that Hellas submitted a bid for MB when they first earned promotion a few seasons back.

More than anything this shows the benefits of having an EU passport. Those mid to low tier clubs in the top 4 leagues are probably more willing than we realize to take the chance on MLS players but the issues that come up if you don't have work authorization are no joke.


Yeah I agree. I think you would see more MLS players go abroad if therewasn't such restrictions on foreign players in certain leagues. I believe Italy is one of the strictest with Spain next. Germany is one of laxest countries. I foresee many more Americans in the Bundesliga in the coming years. England is trying to get more strict as well.

jabbajolly
Post #14
Tuesday December 16, 2014 11:54pm

Joined Nov 2014
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Original post from 2tone

Yeah I agree. I think you would see more MLS players go abroad if therewasn't such restrictions on foreign players in certain leagues. I believe Italy is one of the strictest with Spain next. Germany is one of laxest countries. I foresee many more Americans in the Bundesliga in the coming years. England is trying to get more strict as well.


It's a pain, isn't it? Especially England... I know they're trying to protect and keep homegrown 'talent' in the PL, but.. well... If you look at the top 20 players in the PL, how many of them are English? 1?

They keep getting stricter, the league will get worse.

dolcem
Post #15
Wednesday December 17, 2014 7:55pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from MSantoine

I think how he fares will go along way towards possibly changing the perception of US and MLS guys in general. If you can have a middling (seriously would Soares be a top 10 CB if you listed them? Top 20? Top 30?) defenseman can go to Serie A and contribute that would be huge for the league. Just because of that reason I hope he does well.


This was answered in my post directly above yours. A player's success in the MLS doesn't translate to the international level. A "middling" CB might be better suited for the game at the highest levels than the defender of the year. In fact this is often the case: the best MLS players usually aren't that good (Landon Donovan of course being the exception, as well as Keane). Wondolowski is not better than Henry. Jeff Cunningham held the scoring record before Landon broke it. Jeff Cunningham. And even when Beckham was trying hard he never was a good player in the MLS, even when he was far better than everyone else on the pitch.
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