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Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #16
Monday December 8, 2014 2:34am

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btw, speaking of recurring knee injuries, it's about time for Holden to be finishing up rehab isn't it?

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #17
Monday December 8, 2014 2:38am

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Man, I feel absolutely awful hearing about Boyd...really depressing. I was so hopeful he could put some real competitive pressure on Jozy.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #18
Monday December 8, 2014 2:53am

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Gyau didn't tear his ACL, he only injured the meniscus which is usually a 3 to 6 week recovery.

Unfortunately for Boyd he will be out probably for 9 months. Also Boyd tore his ACL and meniscus.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #19
Monday December 8, 2014 2:58am

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Original post from 2tone

Gyau didn't tear his ACL, he only injured the meniscus which is usually a 3 to 6 week recovery.

Unfortunately for Boyd he will be out probably for 9 months. Also Boyd tore his ACL and meniscus.


corrected.

navi8132
Post #20
Monday December 8, 2014 12:46pm

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oof, 9 months? Well, when one door closes another door opens (at least in short term). This will lead to a new player's emergence.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #21
Monday December 8, 2014 4:23pm

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He's donezo. Won't play for the USA again
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
TheTruth
Post #22
Monday December 8, 2014 7:19pm

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I had an English dude tell me that he didn't get the whole ACL thing. As in, he wondered why so many Americans tear them. Said it hardly ever happens in England. Is he right?

Boyd has nothing to do w/ this because he's German, but if there are a lot more tears of American ACLs than you'd have to think we can correct the problem with training (and youth training in particular).

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #23
Tuesday December 9, 2014 5:30am

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Original post from TheTruth

I had an English dude tell me that he didn't get the whole ACL thing. As in, he wondered why so many Americans tear them. Said it hardly ever happens in England. Is he right?

Boyd has nothing to do w/ this because he's German, but if there are a lot more tears of American ACLs than you'd have to think we can correct the problem with training (and youth training in particular).


Probably too much weighted squats.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #24
Tuesday December 9, 2014 6:25am

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Original post from TheTruth

I had an English dude tell me that he didn't get the whole ACL thing. As in, he wondered why so many Americans tear them. Said it hardly ever happens in England. Is he right?

Boyd has nothing to do w/ this because he's German, but if there are a lot more tears of American ACLs than you'd have to think we can correct the problem with training (and youth training in particular).


That's horse poop. Plenty of English and Europeans have torn their ACL's or have had bad knee injuries/problems while playing in England. Just remind him of one of England's brightest CB prospects known as Ledley King. Dude was a walking ACL waiting to happen. He had like zero cartilage left in his knee when he retired. Could barely play. Plenty of England nationals have had serious knee injuries.

There is absolutely nothing unusual with amount of knee injuries to Americans as their are to any other nationalities players.

To be honest the only major knee injuries have been to Holden, Gooch, Gatt, and now Boyd. Dolo's was do to more age and wear and tear related.

Deuce hasn't had a serious knee injury, Donovan hasn't and the list can go on. Surprisingly US players have been pretty damn durable. Considering how many international caps some have gotten due to the lack of talented depth for the past 10 years.

MSantoine
Post #25
Tuesday December 9, 2014 1:03pm

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Us players seem durable because once you tear the acl your out of the picture early. I highly doubt Boyd wears the red white and blue again. Your talking 9 months to start training again. Then it's awhile to get back into game shape. Usually takes a second year to get back to where you were. Earliest he'd be ready to contribute is realistically 2017. By then so many guys will have passed him by.

hamsamwich
Post #26
Tuesday December 9, 2014 4:28pm

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I see- now that's he's injured he's all American, not reared as a German in their medical system and exercise and diet regimens... Don't be crazy- what he and Holden do have in common is perhaps trying to do too much too soon. Adrian Peterson set a bad precedent. People from RG3 to Radamel Falcao all thought they could come back too quick and do too much and got re-injured, or were ineffective, the same with Derrick rose. Speaking of Holden, he needs to be cautious and not do too much, too soon yet again.

As for the future of the forwards- Jozy, Rubin, AJ, and hopefully one or two young MLS players catch Jurgens eye. Or younger like Morris, Pulisic etc come 2016-17. We can always put the determined Wondolowski out there for another year or two anyway, don't worry about it.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #27
Tuesday December 9, 2014 5:08pm

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I'm on my phone and service is limited in Thailand, so I'm not looking for his thread, but is Bobby Wood injured? He didn't make the bench for 1860 Munich according to my app.

cudevil
Post #28
Tuesday December 9, 2014 8:15pm

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Original post from MSantoine

Us players seem durable because once you tear the acl your out of the picture early. I highly doubt Boyd wears the red white and blue again. Your talking 9 months to start training again. Then it's awhile to get back into game shape. Usually takes a second year to get back to where you were. Earliest he'd be ready to contribute is realistically 2017. By then so many guys will have passed him by.


Unless there are substantial complications, it's not going to be 2017 before he's recovered from an ACL injury.

46and2
Post #29
Tuesday December 9, 2014 11:04pm

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I feel really bad for Boyd coming back and re-injuring the same knee, but I'm not all that surprised. He had a partial tear initially and ACLs simply don't heal due to lack of blood supply. In partial tear cases, you rehab and hope to avoid surgery, but it just depends on how intact the ACL is. It's always at a significant risk of further injury. Add to that the pressure these guys are under to return as quickly as possible (limiting the amount of strength and agility they can build back up to protect the ligament), and it's just a recipe for chronic issues.

The business about Americans tearing ACLs more often, or guys not understanding the injuries in soccer is silly. I mean I understand guys that have played and never had a serious injury wondering how it happens so often to other players, but if you play/watch the game at a high enough level, it gets pretty obvious.

Sprinting, cutting, stopping, changing directions at speed, etc. Soccer is tailor made to put your knee ligaments under stress. Add in guys putting a shoulder or hip into you at the right time or sliding into your legs in a tackle... frankly, I'm surprised it doesn't happen even more often than it does at the highest levels. Tons of Europeans have torn ACLs. I don't know if the comments about it happening more to Americans were including South Americans in that, but plenty there as well. It's not at all an American phenomenon.

When I tore mine, the first words out of my orthopedic surgeon's mouth were, "Soccer or skiing?". It's just a sport that is very hard on your knees. That said, I played at a fairly competitive level and made it into my early 30s before it happened. Then after surgery and a very regimented rehab I played a couple more years at that level and now 4 years on still playing regularly in a slightly less physical league. So much of it is about proper rehabilitation and not rushing it back too quickly. If Boyd gets that, he can absolutely make it back into the national team picture.

MSantoine
Post #30
Wednesday December 10, 2014 12:13am

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Original post from cudevil

Unless there are substantial complications, it's not going to be 2017 before he's recovered from an ACL injury.


I didnt say he itll be 2017 before hes recovered. I said 2017 before he gets a chance with US.

Assume 9-12 months recovery time (2nd injur, will likely not push his recovery this time).
Recovery from ACL- Winter 2015. I'd say that there;s a strong likelihood they wait until the winter break to integrate him.
Integrate into 1st team Jan/Feb 2016
Highly doubt he's getting consistent 1st team minutes in end of soccer year 2016.
Summer 2016- Still not a full time starter, not getting consistent minutes. Shouldnt get looks if thats the case.
Fall 2016 if everything goes well and he doesnt lose skills, pace, athleticism, standing with the team he's a starter again.
Usually it takes a couple of months to get called back to us when you've been gone awhile (see Castillo, Chandler, etc)

Throw in the fact that 2016 sept through november windows will be WCQ I doubt he goes from zero us appearances in 3-4 years to qualifying matches and best case scenario he gets december 2016 friendly to get called in, or, like I said, likely wait until 2017.

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