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MSantoine
Post #16
Tuesday November 11, 2014 2:38pm

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Original post from rainORshine

what do you mean by the "deep stats"?

the numbers tell me that its keane v martins

not only that, but that nguyen may not even make my top 5

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I'll give one deep stat. Lee got the most game winning goals as a midfielder in mls history. Did Dempsey, Landon, Keene, bwp do anything that was never done before in mls history? He was also by far the best player on a second place team.

Dcu was a well rounded team with no singular spectacular player
Nyrb barely made playoffs. Bwp had the stats but Henry was obviously there best player
Keane and Landon to me take away from each other
Clint and martins. Same as above.

Again lee put in a historically clutch performance on a top team that's never been seen before in the almost 20 years of mls. That to me is MVP worthy.

admsghs27
Post #17
Tuesday November 11, 2014 9:17pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from MSantoine

I'll give one deep stat. Lee got the most game winning goals as a midfielder in mls history. Did Dempsey, Landon, Keene, bwp do anything that was never done before in mls history? He was also by far the best player on a second place team.

Dcu was a well rounded team with no singular spectacular player
Nyrb barely made playoffs. Bwp had the stats but Henry was obviously there best player
Keane and Landon to me take away from each other
Clint and martins. Same as above.

Again lee put in a historically clutch performance on a top team that's never been seen before in the almost 20 years of mls. That to me is MVP worthy.


Well Landon did break the record for Goal scoring, and assists. Which was history in the making.

dunlopp9987
Post #18
Tuesday November 11, 2014 9:57pm

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from admsghs27

Well Landon did break the record for Goal scoring, and assists. Which was history in the making.


But that doesn't matter when deciding who wins this year's MVP.
COYB!!
admsghs27
Post #19
Tuesday November 11, 2014 10:02pm

Joined Nov 2012
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If people go by stats then Keane or BWP should get the MVP.

46and2
Post #20
Tuesday November 11, 2014 10:12pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 54
Lee Nguyen for me. A G/A comparison doesn't tell the whole story. His goal production as a midfielder is impressive on it's own, equaling the MLS record for a midfielder, on par with most of the strikers in the running. The bigger stat for me is as MSantoine said... game-winning goals. I think it was 9 of his 18 regular season goals. That's clutch, that's value, that's being the MVP. Then you look at his supporting cast and what he's enabled the team to do. The Revs have some good players and Jones has been a great addition, but they just wouldn't be where they are without Lee, full stop. Then extend it to the playoffs, and he's just kept it rolling.

You can't deny BWP's great season, but the award is for most valuable, not most prolific, and they aren't always one and the same. Henry is the most valuable player on that team and BWP wouldn't have anywhere near the numbers he has without Henry. Just look how many Kenny Cooper put up with Henry feeding him. Then look at the playoffs... Henry assisting every goal for NYRB. BWP has been very good, but Henry is far more important to the club, so that takes him out of the running for me.

Oba has been fantastic. The only thing I can say about that is he has a lot more to work with. He and Dempsey both put up great numbers, but they both make it so much easier for one another and they also have some really good talent around them in midfield with Alonso, Pineda, Pappa, etc. Can't argue with Oba really, but when it comes down to splitting hairs, that would be my decision-making logic.

Keane is similar. He and LD have been great together and they have a lot of talent around them with Juninho, Sarvas, Zardes, etc. Keane, however, has been so good, that I would never argue with him getting the nod and I think it's more than possible. Similar situation to Oba, but he's been a bit better for me. He just does it all.

Multiple worthy winners this year, though, so you really can't lose.

dunlopp9987
Post #21
Tuesday November 11, 2014 11:04pm

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from admsghs27

If people go by stats then Keane or BWP should get the MVP.


Nah. If you go by stats, you're Rain

😀
COYB!!
DragonEagle
Sunshine So Cal
Post #22
Tuesday November 11, 2014 11:21pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 298
Original post from dunlopp9987

Nah. If you go by stats, you're Rain

😀

And if you're Rain, Sacha Kljestan is the MVP. :-)
We'll win it all, some day
admsghs27
Post #23
Wednesday November 12, 2014 1:48am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Besides that Landon Donovan got MLS All star MVP against mighty Bayern. But at the end of the day all that matters is the MLS cup so hopefully he gets that.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #24
Wednesday November 12, 2014 3:05am

Joined Jun 2012
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Participation trophies for everybody!!

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #25
Wednesday November 12, 2014 4:02am

Joined May 2013
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I like Nguyen for MVP edging out Martins. I think there is a bigger drop off for the Revs and Sounders if those guys are out.

Gals and Red bulls can still function to some extent without Keane or LD or BWP. Henry is the biggest sandbagger around, he could be scoring more himself,which would take goals away from BWP, but he only wants to set guys up and fine tune himself for the end of the season. I don't buy BWP as MVP at all, Henry is just too lazy to score more himself.

TheTruth
Post #26
Wednesday November 12, 2014 2:12pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
I didn't get the chance to see Nguyen at all this year in MLS, but based on everything you guys are saying I can't wait to see if he can do something special for the Nats.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #27
Wednesday November 12, 2014 2:30pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 1,016
Original post from TheTruth

I didn't get the chance to see Nguyen at all this year in MLS, but based on everything you guys are saying I can't wait to see if he can do something special for the Nats.


Ive been trying to keep an eye on him for a couple years now. I thought he was going to be called in to the January camp this past year, but I guess Klinsmann needed another year out of him. He's a very good finisher, but defenses on the international level are quicker and more aggressive than what he's accustomed to in MLS. He also needs to be more decisive on the ball. Against a good Colombia team, he won't be afforded those extra touches.

Also, you have to wonder if the MLS playoff guys are going to go 100% or if the worry of picking up an injury will effect their play.

skangles
DC
Post #28
Monday November 24, 2014 1:28am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,420
It seems crazy that a guy can tie the All Time Single Season Scoring Record and not make the Top 3 MVP finalists but that's the type of season it's been in MLS.

Alright gents, for a bit of fun let's pick 'em a la our Premier League predictions thread. 5 points for picking the MVP, 2 points for every other category (only the on-field player performance categories are in scope).

Rookie of the year will be announced tomorrow so get your picks in tonight.

Volkswagen Most Valuable Player Finalists

Robbie Keane (LA Galaxy)
Obafemi Martins (Seattle Sounders)
Lee Nguyen (New England Revolution)

AT&T Rookie of the Year Finalists

Tesho Akindele (FC Dallas)
Steve Birnbaum (D.C. United)
Harry Shipp (Chicago Fire)

Defender of the Year Finalists

Bobby Boswell (D.C. United)
Omar Gonzalez (LA Galaxy)
Chad Marshall (Seattle Sounders)

Coach of the Year Finalists

Gregg Berhalter (Columbus Crew SC)
Ben Olsen (D.C. United)
Sigi Schmid (Seattle Sounders)

Comeback Player of the Year Finalists

Charlie Davies (New England Revolution)
Stefan Frei (Seattle Sounders)
Rodney Wallace (Portland Timbers)

Allstate Goalkeeper of the Year Finalists

Steve Clark (Columbus Crew SC)
Bill Hamid (D.C. United)
Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)

Newcomer of the Year Finalists

Stefan Ishizaki (LA Galaxy)
Jermaine Jones (New England Revolution)
Pedro Morales (Vancouver Whitecaps)

skangles
DC
Post #29
Monday November 24, 2014 1:38am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,420
Volkswagen Most Valuable Player Finalists

Robbie Keane (LA Galaxy)
Obafemi Martins (Seattle Sounders)
Lee Nguyen (New England Revolution)

AT&T Rookie of the Year Finalists

Tesho Akindele (FC Dallas)
Steve Birnbaum (D.C. United)
Harry Shipp (Chicago Fire)

Defender of the Year Finalists

Bobby Boswell (D.C. United)
Omar Gonzalez (LA Galaxy)
Chad Marshall (Seattle Sounders)

Coach of the Year Finalists

Gregg Berhalter (Columbus Crew SC)
Ben Olsen (D.C. United)
Sigi Schmid (Seattle Sounders)

Comeback Player of the Year Finalists

Charlie Davies (New England Revolution)
Stefan Frei (Seattle Sounders)
Rodney Wallace (Portland Timbers)

Allstate Goalkeeper of the Year Finalists

Steve Clark (Columbus Crew SC)
Bill Hamid (D.C. United)
Nick Rimando (Real Salt Lake)

Newcomer of the Year Finalists

Stefan Ishizaki (LA Galaxy)
Jermaine Jones (New England Revolution)
Pedro Morales (Vancouver Whitecaps)

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #30
Monday November 24, 2014 8:31pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,113
Nguyen
Shipp
Marshall
Olsen
Davies
Rimando
Jones

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