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kernn63
Post #31
Monday February 20, 2017 3:31pm

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I guess we could put aerial game into the weakness category after that missed open netter on Saturday.

navi8132
Post #32
Monday February 20, 2017 3:39pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,608
Oh common, single errors or even 2-3 errors should not qualify anyone as being "weak" in any category.

kernn63
Post #33
Tuesday February 21, 2017 3:10pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 209
Fair. Is it a weakness?

navi8132
Post #34
Tuesday February 21, 2017 4:53pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,608
Well I mean I have watched him play many games now and I would say it is a weakness at the moment, but once he physically matures a bit more (and improves his aerial skill over time as well), it could be different.

dolcem
Post #35
Tuesday February 21, 2017 11:51pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,712
For the first time in our history (aside from Freddy Adu), we have an extremely promising, creative attacking midfield prodigy, and you guys are arguing about whether or not he heads the ball well? I also find it hilarious/sad that people are worried about whether or not he'll bulk up. For once I want the USNT to have a tiny guy with insane ball skills and quickness and the ability to pass and shoot well. Sometimes I wonder what sport we're talking about here.
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dfw_fan
DfW
Post #36
Wednesday February 22, 2017 4:03am

Joined Apr 2013
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Original post from dolcem

For the first time in our history (aside from Freddy Adu), we have an extremely promising, creative attacking midfield prodigy, and you guys are arguing about whether or not he heads the ball well? I also find it hilarious/sad that people are worried about whether or not he'll bulk up. For once I want the USNT to have a tiny guy with insane ball skills and quickness and the ability to pass and shoot well. Sometimes I wonder what sport we're talking about here.


Dolcem
You are such a spoil sport....
You dont like 6'4" 212lbs?

Let the Pulisic conversation lead to 165lbs or Hulk

venicebeachbull
Post #37
Wednesday February 22, 2017 6:38am

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 113
Original post from dolcem

For the first time in our history (aside from Freddy Adu), we have an extremely promising, creative attacking midfield prodigy, and you guys are arguing about whether or not he heads the ball well? I also find it hilarious/sad that people are worried about whether or not he'll bulk up. For once I want the USNT to have a tiny guy with insane ball skills and quickness and the ability to pass and shoot well. Sometimes I wonder what sport we're talking about here.


Futbol

Rey Regicide
Post #38
Wednesday February 22, 2017 1:23pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,775
Original post from dolcem

For the first time in our history (aside from Freddy Adu), we have an extremely promising, creative attacking midfield prodigy, and you guys are arguing about whether or not he heads the ball well? I also find it hilarious/sad that people are worried about whether or not he'll bulk up. For once I want the USNT to have a tiny guy with insane ball skills and quickness and the ability to pass and shoot well. Sometimes I wonder what sport we're talking about here.


I was talking to an Argentinian expat, about the national team in 2007, and he was worried that with the decline of Crespo there wasn't a viable no. 9 option.

It was around the time that Messi started getting consistent runs with Argentina, and actually featured as an outside forward or second striker type, before the false 9. He said that even though Julio Cruz was less flashy, and potentially less mobile, the fact that he had a good frame was reason enough to include him in the starting lineup over smaller more skillfull players.

I thought it was rather weird given the abundance of options, but he seemed pretty insistent that having a crossing option in the box.

Now, I view the down the wing, pump it into the box like post game in basketball. Because the new style of everyone resembling each other on the pitch has taken hold (Napoli now playes with no fowards lol) it doesn't necessarily mean that's the only way to play. Personally, I like the new style. But maybe it's less of a "we" thing, and more of a suitability and preference to tactics.

I think Pulisic can literally play CF. But given our personnel, almost like with BVB, it suits him to serve and pump balls after beating people down the flank. Because otherwise, he's going to be viewed a detriment. I think you and I have this vision of the Cruyff Guardiola setup, but for now, that's like lightyears away. Or maybe just not in the realm of possibility for us. And that's not necessarily denigration, because for some time now, Argentina with their wealth of skill, has had a hard time accommodating Messi in that same fashion.

dolcem
Post #39
Tuesday February 28, 2017 4:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,712
Original post from Rey Regicide

I was talking to an Argentinian expat, about the national team in 2007, and he was worried that with the decline of Crespo there wasn't a viable no. 9 option.

It was around the time that Messi started getting consistent runs with Argentina, and actually featured as an outside forward or second striker type, before the false 9. He said that even though Julio Cruz was less flashy, and potentially less mobile, the fact that he had a good frame was reason enough to include him in the starting lineup over smaller more skillfull players.

I thought it was rather weird given the abundance of options, but he seemed pretty insistent that having a crossing option in the box.

Now, I view the down the wing, pump it into the box like post game in basketball. Because the new style of everyone resembling each other on the pitch has taken hold (Napoli now playes with no fowards lol) it doesn't necessarily mean that's the only way to play. Personally, I like the new style. But maybe it's less of a "we" thing, and more of a suitability and preference to tactics.

I think Pulisic can literally play CF. But given our personnel, almost like with BVB, it suits him to serve and pump balls after beating people down the flank. Because otherwise, he's going to be viewed a detriment. I think you and I have this vision of the Cruyff Guardiola setup, but for now, that's like lightyears away. Or maybe just not in the realm of possibility for us. And that's not necessarily denigration, because for some time now, Argentina with their wealth of skill, has had a hard time accommodating Messi in that same fashion.


An opinion is an opinion. This guy felt that what Argentina needed for its attack to be more balanced was a nueve del area (target forward). That's OK, it's probably a good thing to have at least one guy on your team that can head the ball. Of course it's not totally necessary (see Spain in the Euro 2012, who played without a striker), but it can help. The US, on the other hand, has zero players with any semblance of creativity or dribbling ability. Pulisic would be the first. You aren't going to ever do anything if you don't have any skilled players. We have plenty of guys with heart and hustle, and good athletes as well, but we desperate need technically gifted attacking players. We have the opposite problem of Argentina.

I'm not saying we should play like Barcelona. We'll always have grind out gritty wins. But we'll be much, much more effective if we can get a player like Pulisic, and it's OK if that one guy isn't "bulky" or "good at heading." He should not play as a CF. We need a target forward as a CF, to give us that spine that will also be necessary for us to be effective. But if we have a Pulisic as a #10 dribbling through defenders, taking shots, and laying off passes to our target CF and two hustling wingers, we're going to be much, much more dangerous in the attack.
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skangles
DC
Post #40
Thursday March 2, 2017 10:17pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,169
Pulisic, a long-standing target for Liverpool, said he was the subject of a €13 million bid in the summer, while Dembele says he met with manager Jurgen Klopp before agreeing his transfer to Dortmund from Rennes.

Klopp is an admirer of Pulisic, 18, who joined Dortmund's academy when the German was in charge, but the U.S. international recently extended his contract until 2020.

"I have respect for Klopp and I know him - he was very welcoming to me here - but I was never really thinking about going to Liverpool," Pulisic said.

"Dortmund have given me everything. If I work very hard here I will play and I love this club."

http://www.espnfc.us/story/3072483/christian-...

Rey Regicide
Post #41
Friday March 3, 2017 4:28pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,775
I know, this is going to be one of those "remember when he said this" after he signs that 54 million dollar transfer to L pool.

Dave
Post #42
Saturday March 4, 2017 3:31am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 692
Original post from Rey Regicide

I know, this is going to be one of those "remember when he said this" after he signs that 54 million dollar transfer to L pool.


You've got to remember that player transfers aren't completely up to players.
If someone comes in with an obscene offer for Pulisic I've sure that BvB wouldn't hesitate to sell him. His signing of a new contract has as much to do with BvB wanting to insure that they get a nice fat check when/if CP is sold as it does with CP wanting to remain loyal to the club that gave him his chance.

tylercocinas
Post #43
Saturday March 4, 2017 4:16pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 1,100
Pulisic on for Reus just before the end of the 1st half against Leverkusen

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #44
Saturday March 4, 2017 5:08pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 2,895
PULISIC GOAL

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #45
Saturday March 4, 2017 5:26pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,139
Goal and an assist today. Makes 3 goals and 5 assists on the season.

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