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2tone
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Post #76
Friday October 17, 2014 6:24am

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And to hamsamwich:

The Seattle FO has made Jordan Morris their top priority going into the off season. He will more than likely sign a HG contract in January.

dunlopp9987
Post #77
Friday October 17, 2014 6:33am

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Original post from 2tone

The farthest the USMNT has made it in a modern WC was in 2002 with half of the roster made up with MLS players. Yes they didn't win it, but to say it won't ever happen is a reckless opinion.

MLS will only get better and produce better players. Not every outstanding player that comes from the USA/MLS production line will go over to Europe, especially when MLS salary's continue to increase. I bet you see more Landon Donovan type decisions with young talent in the future. There are many amenities in the States that even Western European countries just don't have.

I have not seen a country win the World Cup where it's entire player roster comes from foreign based teams.

I will predict that the 2018 WC roster has at least 8 to 12 MLS players on it. And that that team goes deep in the tournament.

I wouldn't be surprised that by 2030 that the USMNT WC roster is made mostly from MLS based players. But I also won't be surprised if we have few players coming from Elite European teams by then as well.

I also won't be surprised that by 2030 that MLS is a destination league for many top players from around the world.


If that is the case, US Soccer has done something terribly....terribly wrong. If you think we will have a pretty good team by 2020, (which I think is definitely possible) with potentially more than 1 world class player, and you think they will be playing in the MLS instead of Barcelona, Madrid, Munich, London, or Manchester....you are delusional. MLS is not going to expand by 2020 to the point that elite, world-class talent would reject FC BARCELONA, BAYERN MUNICH, REAL MADRID, MANCHESTER UNITED, ETC. to stay and play for the Chicago Fire or Vancouver Whitecaps. That's absurd.

Do I think we will have some very, very talented players representing the US in 2020 that play in MLS? Absolutely. But world class? No. If they're world class, they will be in Europe. Love you, MLS, but you don't have the allure of playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Even in 6 years that won't be the case.

Also, your point about the "amenities" that the U.S. has being a possible reason to keep players here...you make it sound like places like London, Barcelona, and dozens of other cities are some 3rd world barren wasteland. You can get almost everything in London that you can get in the US. Except for Freedom Fries and George Walker Bush. Those are ours, for better or for worse.
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dunlopp9987
Post #78
Friday October 17, 2014 6:40am

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My mistake, 2tone, thought you had written 2020, but now seeing 2030. You could make it 2040 and I would still have the same opinion, though.
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Post #79
Friday October 17, 2014 11:15am

Joined Sep 2013
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So on the subject of Bradley being in the MLS affecting his game, and him having to step it up because there are other people better in the MLS game (which is what Klinsmann was REALLY TRYING TO GET AT)... How about that Lee Nguyen? Can anyone say that Bradley deserves to start over him in the USMNT now? Seeing how Bradley is the no. 10 ( =D ) in our formation now (probably a better discussion and more relevant than any MLS inferiority sensitivity), Lee is the direct replacement for Bradley in that no. 10 role. Truthfully Klinsmann should think about putting Jones and Lee next to each other and Beckerman, Hyndman, Trapp or any other CDM of merit behind them to get those two roving and rolling. (providing Jones is still in contention for CM shifts in JK's mind, yet another more relevant argument) Their chemistry in the MLS is showing. Don't you guys think? As opposed to Bradley?

Didn't Toronto lose to Dynamo, isn't that kinda sad too? Seeing how TFC's performances have not improved due to Bradley's presence. Another thing JK said, and yet vilified for, and yet ostensibly true.

Yea I think Lee needs to be called up, and Bradley needs to be called up too and see who beasts who in camp.

hamsamwich
Post #80
Friday October 17, 2014 1:26pm

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Original post from 2tone

And to hamsamwich:

The Seattle FO has made Jordan Morris their top priority going into the off season. He will more than likely sign a HG contract in January.
and Seattle has the kind of money and fan base and also playing opportunity he may not get elsewhere. They are one of the model franchises at the moment. But isn't that really just a one and done like Yedlin?? I mean that was a 3M fee for DeAndre right?? I'm all for that, it's great but Yedlin left quickly. What would be the difference with Morris- especially if in your opinion and other fans who have seen a lot of the kid say he reminds you all of a Marco Reus? If hes a 1/2 of a Reus, he will be gone in a heartbeat.

hamsamwich
Post #81
Friday October 17, 2014 4:39pm

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The Fire are bringing over Josh Wright!! Crickets... Yes a midfielder who can't cut it at millwall in the championship is supposed to be a big move. Exactly the right level for the guy to be fair he may be good, who knows.

@skangles- we are benching Johnson for the last two games to see what Reynish can do. Perhaps he is getting transferred, it is time for Sean to go abroad and prove it. Good luck and have fun at the conference clincher. If anything I'm happy to see DC do well it just shows how anyone can rebuild in the East with some quality play.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #82
Friday October 17, 2014 6:12pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Original post from hamsamwich

The Fire are bringing over Josh Wright!! Crickets... Yes a midfielder who can't cut it at millwall in the championship is supposed to be a big move. Exactly the right level for the guy to be fair he may be good, who knows.



Much like Bradley Wright Phillips cruising around lower divisions in Europe then all of a sudden he's a superstar in MLS. Or Obafemi Martins putting up personal best goal totals this season. I wish MLS was the best league in the world and all 23 WC players came from MLS. But it's not and it's no where near. And if we have more than 5 MLS players on our 2018 roster we won't be advancing past the round of 16. It's just not good enough yet.

@2tone. Why do you think MLS will be a top player desteination in the future? Because I don't see European players leaving Europe and missing out on the champions league. Every player grows up wanting to play in a Champions League Final (except apparently american players). NFL players wouldn't leave the NFL for the CFL.
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MSantoine
Post #83
Saturday October 18, 2014 1:12am

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The only thing keeping MLS as a possibility for best league in 20 years is american money. Us tv deals blow away everything else. Look at recent NFL deal and rumored firth coming nba deal. He'll hockey got a sweet deal. If mls ever starts chipping away at the tv money mls will quickly pass euro soccer leagues. 90% of athletes go to where the most money is. If mls offers the most money the top players will come and Americans will develop into stars.

Unlikely? Yes. Possible? Maybe.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #84
Saturday October 18, 2014 1:49am

Joined Mar 2014
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Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Dolcem, I think you missed my main point. I don't want JK to be fired. I'm in his corner. I was just bringing up the point that there is a fair amount of tension. The bickering in the press is just the tip of the iceberg...there is a lot more beneath that. If the relationship turns real sour, there is a very possibility that JK could walk away.

USSF should have know what JK was going to bring to the table. Besides the optimism and sweetness and light is a ruthless Euro take on how to be competitive. It is utterly cutthroat...Americans aren't ready to deal with that. Some of his motivation techniques run counter to what we feel is fair in our soccer culture. If we want to truly advance we have to be cutthroat...all in.

Most likely some USSF people thought it wouldn't be so severe when they gave him the keys. But as we've seen, he has no problem slaughtering a few sacred cows along the way. He has a few more in his sites which could jeopardize locker room unity. I'm dead serious that if the tension is allowed to escalate, there could be a parting of the ways. That would be very bad and a step backward for US soccer.


I don't want a parting of the ways, and I don't want JK to be less than cutthroat in his playing time decisions...... but since this is a discussion board... I think JK could in other areas act in a healthier way than he's doing, because what informs and flavors his comments about MLS, MB and CD is some distasteful stuff to me:

-MB is not a #10 (MB's opinion is irrelevant- AS Roma didn't bring him to #10). I have no idea why JK doesn't see this. It makes it seem like JK's playing him out of position in order to whip on him.

-CD either hit a glass ceiling or reached the crest of the hill. Hard to blame him for coming home to play on a winning squad and get paid.

-JK's way of dealing with the media is only correct if we need an emperor to draw battle lines, and not a different type of leader. I can see how someone could think that we need an emperor, but I don't. I think he's egotistical enough that he doesn't care what he says.

-Is it more important to be on a top club, or to be playing? He seems to be saying both are of #1 importance. That would be correct if you were managing Germany and you could have those both all the time.

-He seems to have favorites and disfavorites:
-JJones is so amazing that it's ok if he moves to MLS- and will be 36- at a new position- next cup??? He should get minutes over other players like Ream at CB for the next year or two to see how it works???
-The idea that Chandler gets minutes at LB over Garza in the last year is disgusting to me.
-Green will be good, but often looks lost now. (granted, I'm not sure who I feel he's taking minutes from, post-WC)

I'm glad JK is our coach, but I think that he has real blind spots are from being an egotistical snob who over-values pedigree (and from being new-agey, though we don't see those very much, thankfully).

Live490
Texas
Post #85
Saturday October 18, 2014 2:44am

Joined Mar 2013
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-MB is not a #10 (MB's opinion is irrelevant- AS Roma didn't bring him to #10). I have no idea why JK doesn't see this. It makes it seem like JK's playing him out of position in order to whip on him.

THIS^ I am thinking he is probably doing this to later on say they are people ahead of him at that role and not call him. I am ok if players are not called if they are underperforming, but if they are playing terrible out of position for this purpose, to cut them. Well, that's a different story. Like LD was seen as a fwd so he said they were people ahead of him at fwd position when he could have easily been number 1 on the pecking order for the mids. I dont like JK but I do like some stuff he has done, like have more possesion from the back. I dont even know if that is his work or his assistants. He motivation methods are off at times too. I wouldn't mind if he does split up with US.

dolcem
Post #86
Sunday October 19, 2014 9:59am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from mmee

I don't fully agree with dolcem and dunlop on this, though they are two members I usually listen to- to the point of adopting their opinions on things after I leave the site. I'm usually here as a reader not a commenter.

For the record though, in the spring I never said MB should be #10ing it in Brazil. And with a 4-1-4-1 type shape I would not want him as one of the CMs. In a 4-2-3-1, I don't want him as one of the 3. As for his choice, he was about to ride a lot of bench as the WC approached. I'm not saying he made the right choice but he needed to play. I don't know what his range of options was, nor Dempsey's. Some player types need to play.

I don't know if I would be as irritated at JK if he had phrased it differently, and if he would stop making Diskerud and Bradley play each other's positions. I feel like it's a youth team. "Lesson learned, coach: our tough endurance guy needs more attacking flair and our flair guy needs more bite. Can we play normal for the big game, please?"

I think if JK phrased things right he could get everything he needs without bagging on things unnecessarily........ SO.... if Bradley isn't cutting it, just play someone else. Why fuck with his head while you're doing it? The front 4, however you slice it, shouldn't include MB.

Frickin' swap Jozy and Omar while you're at it. See how that works.


I wasn't referring to you when I mentioned Bradley being a #10. Anyway, Bradley hasn't been one of the 3 (or front four) in a 4-2-3-1 for a long time; he was the #8 last game for example (Dempsey was the #10). That's his natural position and he has been playing poorly at it. Why? After sitting on the bench for months rather than go on loan to another Serie A team (yes, this is Michael Bradley, he had options, Livorno was one of them if I remember correctly), he took a two and a half month BREAK from soccer and then joined up with a newly assembled team in an inferior league. And he has sucked since. What a surprise. And now Klinsmann is a bad guy for suggesting this? And it's especially disappointing because Bradley is in his prime and his sacrificing his career for short-term financial gain...and I think we all expected better from Bradley (he is supposed to be a leader). I don't mind if these comments "fuck with" Bradley's head a bit; first of all, Bradley needs to hear it (he has been sucking), and second, the other players need to hear it (chase more than money, the goal of your career should be to the best player you can).

You can't claim to know the rationale behind JK's decision vis-a-vis Mix and Bradley as the #6 and #8. Maybe he wants to try out Mix as a Pirlo type and have Bradley play as the #8 (his natural position), in the Schweinsteiger mold. I think that is a more likely explanation than the one you provided (trying to "motivate" the two).

Jozy has continued to play well for the USNT despite being woeful for his club...I'd say JK is doing a good job there, too.

Original post from 2tone

If anyone that seriously thinks MLS won't continue to be a massive influence for the USMNT, must be smoking some good shizz.

We all know MLS isn't on par with the big Euro leagues, but let's stop lumping European leagues as a whole

I would argue that most MLS clubs would hold their own in the Eredivisie and the Championship and Bundesliga 2. Most MLS teams would probably be a top of the table of teams in the Norwegian top league or Danish top League.

It's fine to not like the MLS, but let's look at the league with objective eyes.

Yes MLS still has a ways to go.

Yes the salary cap needs to be raised substantially.

Yes single entity may be outgrowing itself.

Yes free agency and player acquisitions from inside MLS needs to be updated.

But I for one am quite happy that MLS is around. I enjoy watching an American Soccer league, and watching it's continued growth.


NO ONE is saying the MLS won't have a big influence on the USNT future or that we don't like the MLS. Klinsmann is just being real and, as any manager would, wants his players playing high quality, competitive matches. It's one thing for Dempsey to do that after being on the wrong side of 30 and becoming expendable to his club than for Bradley to do it at 26, right before the World Cup (this is someone who is supposed to be a leader).

And you are way overestimated MLS, in a lot of different ways, and one of them is that by 2030 it will be equivalent to the top leagues in Europe. Yes, salaries will attract some foreign stars, but they can't be more than around one third of the players. The other two thirds are Americans, and at this point we don't have a few hundred soccer players that play anywhere near the level of the Spaniards or Germans.

As the other posters mentioned, hopefully by 2030 we have legit stars that play at plays like Barcelona. And in 2030 we won't have any MLS teams playing soccer nearly that good, even with a few DP's sprinkled on top.

Original post from recycledhumans

Great post, and while I may not share as much of your optimism with how the MLS teams would stack up in Europe I basically agree with everything you've said. With all the talk of the BPL wanting to institute some kind of cap, slow and steady will eventually be the best option rather than letting the free market dictate that the richest clubs are the most successful.

The cap is undoubtedly the biggest hurdle to the growth of MLS, but the other issues you pointed out are almost as important.


So the cap is going to be a good thing in the BPL and a bad thing for the MLS? The cap is necessary for the financial survival of the league and since most of the players are going to be American, what counts are the quality of players we produce (paying these American players more will not magically make them better...just as Liga MX is still nowhere near as good as the Argentine league, even though the Mexican players are paid more).

Original post from admsghs27

Apperantly klinsmann is smoking some good shizz. He has been hating on MLS for some time now, and the only reason he has to call up MLS players is because he does not have that many options in Europe. If USA had several players playing in Europe he would not call any MLS players.


Klinsmann has been more willing to call up MLS players than Coach Bob was. Heck he even has called up NCAA and NASL players. The whole "foreigner anti-American" argument does not hold weight.

Original post from SiteBomb621

If the "league you play in" truly counts for so much, why don't the English do better in all around Global Competitions and Euro competitions? Last i checked, the USMNT won their group at WC 2010, played to a 1 to nil game vs Germany this past WC and SHOULD have beat Belgium... Remember Jozy, Demps and a few others were not in form when picked for the US squad yet played well enough to get us to the knockout rounds. The league you play in is highly overrated.... Perhaps if the Brazilians stayed at home more often and played in their leagues they would have done a little better......


The thing is though in places like Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Holland, Portugal, Belgium, etc. the public, coaches, and players all agree that their players playing in the top leagues. You don't see this type of homerism in these countries despite their very proud soccer traditions.

Original post from admsghs27

Many people have to Understand that is not just where you play. Some Countries just have the Talent is in their Blood, and DNA you cant take that away from them. For example a Brazilian kid vs an English kid, the English kid has been playing for 5 years already and the Brazilian kid has never played soccer, he steps on the field for the first time and wow's everyone and suddenly is the best player in their team.


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dolcem
Post #87
Sunday October 19, 2014 10:08am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Dolcem, I think you missed my main point. I don't want JK to be fired. I'm in his corner. I was just bringing up the point that there is a fair amount of tension. The bickering in the press is just the tip of the iceberg...there is a lot more beneath that. If the relationship turns real sour, there is a very possibility that JK could walk away.

USSF should have know what JK was going to bring to the table. Besides the optimism and sweetness and light is a ruthless Euro take on how to be competitive. It is utterly cutthroat...Americans aren't ready to deal with that. Some of his motivation techniques run counter to what we feel is fair in our soccer culture. If we want to truly advance we have to be cutthroat...all in.

Most likely some USSF people thought it wouldn't be so severe when they gave him the keys. But as we've seen, he has no problem slaughtering a few sacred cows along the way. He has a few more in his sites which could jeopardize locker room unity. I'm dead serious that if the tension is allowed to escalate, there could be a parting of the ways. That would be very bad and a step backward for US soccer.


Well you did say you thought he would be fired. As far as the tension goes, that's what JK wants and it is what US soccer needs. We need an outsider to shake things up and get this train moving. In the past ten years we really haven't improved that much (Arena and Bradley never put together anything better than the '02 team). I thought that with exponentially more people involved in the sport and an improved development system we would be better ten years ago than we are now but I don't think we are. Ramos, Reyna, McBride, Donovan, and Dempsey were all great but who has come through the ranks since (not including nationalized players)? Other than Bradley, we have Altidore and...the newest generation still hasn't reached the heights of the players in the past and with the recent growth of US soccer, something isn't quite right. We need someone with knowledge of the game at the highest levels to come in and show us how to do things. Klinsmann isn't a genius but he's as good as we're going to get at this point (a mercenary manager is the best we could hope for, unlike Klinsmann who has lived in the US for decades and picked the US over the German NT and Bayern Munich).

As far as the locker room stuff goes, we are too far outside those circles to know. And judging by how the team played during the World Cup, I doubt there were problems.

Original post from mmee

I don't want a parting of the ways, and I don't want JK to be less than cutthroat in his playing time decisions...... but since this is a discussion board... I think JK could in other areas act in a healthier way than he's doing, because what informs and flavors his comments about MLS, MB and CD is some distasteful stuff to me:

-MB is not a #10 (MB's opinion is irrelevant- AS Roma didn't bring him to #10). I have no idea why JK doesn't see this. It makes it seem like JK's playing him out of position in order to whip on him.

-CD either hit a glass ceiling or reached the crest of the hill. Hard to blame him for coming home to play on a winning squad and get paid.

-JK's way of dealing with the media is only correct if we need an emperor to draw battle lines, and not a different type of leader. I can see how someone could think that we need an emperor, but I don't. I think he's egotistical enough that he doesn't care what he says.

-Is it more important to be on a top club, or to be playing? He seems to be saying both are of #1 importance. That would be correct if you were managing Germany and you could have those both all the time.

-He seems to have favorites and disfavorites:
-JJones is so amazing that it's ok if he moves to MLS- and will be 36- at a new position- next cup??? He should get minutes over other players like Ream at CB for the next year or two to see how it works???
-The idea that Chandler gets minutes at LB over Garza in the last year is disgusting to me.
-Green will be good, but often looks lost now. (granted, I'm not sure who I feel he's taking minutes from, post-WC)

I'm glad JK is our coach, but I think that he has real blind spots are from being an egotistical snob who over-values pedigree (and from being new-agey, though we don't see those very much, thankfully).


Why is it bad if JK is simply realistic to the media? He is the coach and is allowed to ruffle feathers with his comments, especially if they need to be made (and they should be). I think the battle lines stuff is exaggerated but I like the fact that he wants to shake things up.

I think the "egotistical snob" is just your perception of him...perhaps as a foreigner rating the top leagues higher than the MLS (which is just realistic, by the way).

What Klinsmann wants is simple. Playing time is necessary but he wants his players playing at the highest levels...and if someone forgoes that for a paycheck right during their prime, that's less than desirable. CD's situation was way different (old and unwanted by his club).

And every coach has "favorites" and "disfavorites," and anyway that has to do with one's own perceptions of how much these players should be a part of the team (I, for one, don't think Torres was given a fair shake, but sometimes these things happen). JK calls up Garza (who know one was really clamoring for) and he plays well, and then you blame JK for not doing it sooner? How many people rated Garza above Chandler before the last couple friendlies? As far as Green goes, I would say everything Klinsmann has done so far (get him to play for us for one, something I doubt Coach Bob could do, and calling him up to the WC when no one thought he was ready, which turned out pretty well) in regards to him as been pretty damn good.

I'd say Jones did pretty well as a CB last game other than a few hiccups, and considering how woeful our CB options are and the fact that Klinsmann wants some of these vets to stick around and teach the younger guys, I don't see the problem there. Ream got PT. It's easy to dissect every decision the coach makes but we don't always see the logic behind it, and I'd say so far JK's record has been pretty good of getting it right.

And Bradley was a #8 in a 4-2-3-1 last game.

Original post from Live490

-MB is not a #10 (MB's opinion is irrelevant- AS Roma didn't bring him to #10). I have no idea why JK doesn't see this. It makes it seem like JK's playing him out of position in order to whip on him.

THIS^ I am thinking he is probably doing this to later on say they are people ahead of him at that role and not call him. I am ok if players are not called if they are underperforming, but if they are playing terrible out of position for this purpose, to cut them. Well, that's a different story. Like LD was seen as a fwd so he said they were people ahead of him at fwd position when he could have easily been number 1 on the pecking order for the mids. I dont like JK but I do like some stuff he has done, like have more possesion from the back. I dont even know if that is his work or his assistants. He motivation methods are off at times too. I wouldn't mind if he does split up with US.


Bradley was a #8 in a 4-2-3-1 last game and Dempsey was the #10. Bradley has always seen himself as an attacking midfielder though and did well in this role at Herenveen. Heck his dad built them team around him being an attacking midfielder with unlimited freedom and he played well in South Africa. The fact is though he has played poorly everywhere on the pitch, whether sitting deep or playing higher up. And that's because he compromised his career for short-term financial gain. How many players are played out of position for the NT (and this is something national team managers have to do)? Out of the very few that have been played out of position, much of the time the gamble has paid off. And I would say based off of the spirit the team showed this summer, I would say motivation has been one of his strong points.
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #88
Monday October 20, 2014 5:30am

Joined Mar 2014
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Well dolcem you may be right about some of that. I sure don't think MLS is in the top 8 leagues in the world.

My main 2 contentions are:

1)I do not think that Klinsmann says what he says as a strategist, I think he says it as an ego. He can be right and say something in the wrong way at the wrong time if his purpose is to "be a big deal". He is a big deal, but again, I don't think we need an emperor. Just don't play MB if you don't like it....

2(My solution to the Bradley situation, if I could wave a magic wand, would be to have him go play #6 somewhere else, and never play in our front 4 players. I never liked it. And I don't think I want to see him run as a CM in a 4-4-1-1 type of formation either. He's a good number #6, and instinctively a #6. He can make a good pass and he can join an attack if needed. Watching him carry the ball forward strikes fear into no one. Seeing him, with only 1-2 players in front of him, repeatedly kill the USMNT's attack is partly JK's fault, end of story. JK shouldn't keep trying it and then say "MLS!!" It's stupid.

dolcem
Post #89
Monday October 20, 2014 8:47am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from mmee

Well dolcem you may be right about some of that. I sure don't think MLS is in the top 8 leagues in the world.

My main 2 contentions are:

1)I do not think that Klinsmann says what he says as a strategist, I think he says it as an ego. He can be right and say something in the wrong way at the wrong time if his purpose is to "be a big deal". He is a big deal, but again, I don't think we need an emperor. Just don't play MB if you don't like it....


I think he wants to shake things up, which is good. And these comments were a complete non-story and something any manager would/should say. I think the "big deal" part has more to do with your own perception of him and why he says what he says, and since neither you nor I know him personally, I think it's hard to evaluate. I can't think of any comments off the top of my head that were out of line, and I really don't see these comments as being "emperor-like" since they are the type of comments we would want/need our manager making. There is nothing out of the ordinary of our manager telling our players to play in the best leagues; people got butthurt in this case because it's Michael Bradley and no one wants to hear a negative comment about the MLS from a foreign manager. I bet if Arena said the same thing no one would make a big deal.

As far as Bradley goes, we very well could see him get benched. Klinsmann is giving him a warning first, and if he still doesn't improve, someone else will get the starting position. He isn't going to bench our best field player out of nowhere without try to light a fire under his ass first. And imagine how many feathers this is going to ruffle...Michael Bradley is the US soccer media's golden boy, and some people will take this more personally than the LD decision (because they see Klinsmann as an outsider being unfair to "our" players). The public might be on Klinsmann's side though because of how awful Bradley has been (and a lot of our newer fans only remember how bad he was during the World Cup and don't rate him highly). We'll see here how powerful the US soccer media really is because I could see them declaring war on Klinsmann for something like this.

Original post from mmee
2(My solution to the Bradley situation, if I could wave a magic wand, would be to have him go play #6 somewhere else, and never play in our front 4 players. I never liked it. And I don't think I want to see him run as a CM in a 4-4-1-1 type of formation either. He's a good number #6, and instinctively a #6. He can make a good pass and he can join an attack if needed. Watching him carry the ball forward strikes fear into no one. Seeing him, with only 1-2 players in front of him, repeatedly kill the USMNT's attack is partly JK's fault, end of story. JK shouldn't keep trying it and then say "MLS!!" It's stupid.


This is what I said repeatedly over and over again before the World Cup...that Bradley should be used as a #6 (with Jones, Torres, Diskerud, or Kljestan as the #8). I was ridiculed by everyone on the forum for it because supposedly Bradley was our main "offensive weapon."

But that's besides the point. While Bradley can play as a #6 (or even as a powerhouse #10 in a 4-5-1), his natural position is as a #8, where Klinsmann has been playing him mostly. And he has absolutely sucked...he isn't playing like half the player he used to. I think it's obvious to everyone that his decision to take all that time off and then go to play for Toronto FC in the MLS has something to do with it. And for him to do this right before the World Cup at 26 was pretty damn disappointing for someone who is supposed to be a leader. I'm glad Klinsmann is trying to tell the players NOT to do this because that's exactly what our coach needs to say.

But considering how much Bradley has sucked on every zone of the pitch and while in his natural position, I don't think playing him as the #6 will magically solve the problem. He needs to go back to Europe and get some competitive games in.
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Monday October 20, 2014 4:09pm

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I don't see why people say we NEED Michael Bradley out there. We did fine without donovan at the World Cup and we will move on from Dempsey soon too. It's just a jersey and others will wear it. People said we couldn't move on from no Ramos or Harkes, or Pope, or more recently McBride or Bocanegra as well. After the Honduras game when our actual captain (Boca- not donovan as is commonly thought) was dropped people said the same thing. Then Besler emerged. Jurgen isn't a complete dummy he knows the players in the pool and is trying to motivate and show the younger players a higher level of play. It's a long process and only Bradlet can say for himself whether he is "All-In" or not.

The fans will still be there, as will other USMNT players in the future wearing updated bomb pop jerseys. Bradley will decide what he wants to do, the ball is in his court to improve.

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