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Live490
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Post #31
Thursday October 16, 2014 5:39am

Joined Mar 2013
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then you have the germans on the team. during March ti Brazil, you could see they had a better, different bond. Also, what are you telling your defenders trying to keep jones till 36 moving him to cb? our defenders aren't good enough? it was a friendly and what not, but📹 still. maybe he's going to keep Bradley off later by saying there are others ahead of him in his position.

dunlopp9987
Post #32
Thursday October 16, 2014 6:00am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,641
Original post from Live490

then you have the germans on the team. during March ti Brazil, you could see they had a better, different bond. Also, what are you telling your defenders trying to keep jones till 36 moving him to cb? our defenders aren't good enough? it was a friendly and what not, but📹 still. maybe he's going to keep Bradley off later by saying there are others ahead of him in his position.


He SHOULD keep Bradley off. He hasn't looked good for the USMNT since his move to Toronto. By Jurgen's logic (the Donovan omission), MB90 shouldn't be called in for the next round of friendlies. He hasn't looked good for Toronto or the USMNT, and so he hasn't earned a spot right now. Now this obviously won't happen, but what if it did? You would see SO many people throwing Jurgen to the wolves and calling for his head, but all of that would be unwarranted. Know why? BECAUSE BRADLEY HAS BEEN TERRIBLE.

This is another case of anti-Jurgen people just hating him for the fun of it. He leaves Bradley on the roster even though he's playing terribly and frankly, doesn't deserve to be there. But the minute Jurgen removes him, everyone would be up in arms. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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admsghs27
Post #33
Thursday October 16, 2014 6:14am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from dunlopp9987

Well yeah, in an American bar. Go to a bar in Europe and ask about the San Jose Earthquakes and they will likely ask if they were the team that just won the super bowl.


I bet more MLS clubs are known than some of those I listed. Heck La Galaxy is probably a more known club than all those in Europe let alone the world.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #34
Thursday October 16, 2014 6:24am

Joined May 2013
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Nobody knows the Quakes outside the 408...

admsghs27
Post #35
Thursday October 16, 2014 6:26am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Players I think JK should not call in November that played this last friendlies are Chandler, Bradley, Morales, Corona, Wood, Zusi. I think Mix should be paired with Jones and Have Green and someone else on the wings, Arriola or Wooten, even.bedoya I guess but I'm tired of seeing the same old play of bedoya and zusi as wingers is very frustrating. Even a Gil and Mix partnership would be cool to watch.

dolcem
Post #36
Thursday October 16, 2014 7:19am

Joined Nov 2012
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First of all, these comments are a complete non-story. But if we want to look at a deeper-issue here, the USSF vs. the MLS:

We need someone to shake things up in US soccer. We have so much soccer in this country but it needs to get out of the stone-age. The whole culture from the ground up needs to be rebuilt if we want to start producing world class players. The only way that is happening is a strong authority makes it happen, and that has to the USSF. It has to teach coaches (and parents) from all levels how to coach and guide our top leagues so that they best serve the interests of the national team and the country's soccer as a whole. The MLS is just a business; it is not the end all be all of soccer in this country. The USSF represents the national teams, which to me is the pinnacle of American soccer. Of course the MLS does work together with the interests of the USSF and does a good job with developing soccer in this country, but it could do better, and it needs to realize that it's in its best interest to allow a USSF soccer czaar to run things (I mean Garber is an American football guy...how much does he actually know about soccer?). We need a technical director that coaches at all levels will listen to. It'll probably have to be a US soccer legend. Someone that kids, parents, and coaches will change their methods for. I think Klinsmann could be that guy (having played and coached at the very highest levels and being very familiar with our soccer, I think he's a great choice) but he is a foreigner and a lot of people do not well to him acting like he can throw around orders (not picking OUR best player of all time really rubbed a lot of US the wrong way). I want to see Claudio Reyna or Tab Ramos be Klinsmann's successor and hopefully become that soccer czaar.

The USSF represents the American soccer public and the MLS represents the interests of a few rich owners. I know which side I usually find myself on.

Original post from chris_thebassplayer

This is more deep seated than the back and forth over the merits of US players coming back to MLS. I support JK and think he's doing a good job, but his way to motivate players might be grating on not only Garber, but possibly Sunil and others within USSF.

I believe a lot of them held their tongues during the WC omission of LD...that was probably the start of the friction. Regardless of how you or I feel about that...that's been beaten into the ground. But there were probably a few USSF big wigs that disagreed with the way JK handled the situation...they probably took it in a very negative way that the face of American soccer was being minimized in that way.

I don't feel good about the relationship between JK and MLS/USSF...cracks are starting to form. Who knows what the locker room vibe is with Deuce and MB and the other MLS players. If they feel they're being held to a different standard than the Euro players. I think this whole thing is going to blow up long before the WC... If they don't mend fences...[B]I don't think JK will still be the coach in 2018.[/B]


Are you serious? How many times have we replaced our head coach in the middle of a cycle? One that got us out of the group of death? The only way Klinsmann is getting fired is if we seriously fuck up in qualifying. There will be a lot of hick-ups because this is a team in transition, but as long as we don't get eliminated, he's the manager (and technical director).

Original post from admsghs27

I bet more MLS clubs are known than some of those I listed. Heck La Galaxy is probably a more known club than all those in Europe let alone the world.


Maybe the LA Galaxy, thanks to Beckham, is now more known around the world than some Dutch teams (though probably not among soccer fans in Europe), but would you rather have our players playing MLS games week in week out or playing Eredevisie teams soccer week in week out. The Eredevisie has produced players like Johan Cruyff, Ruud Gullit, Marco van Basten, Patrick Kluivert, Dennis Bergkamp, Jari Litmanen, Frank de Boer, Romario, Luc Nillis, Phillip Cocu, Henrik Larsson, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Robin van Persie, Rafael van der Vaart, Wesley Sneijder, Luis Suarez...it's a conveyor belt of talent. They play some of the best quality soccer in the world even if it isn't what it used to be and there isn't a lot of depth. It's still way better than playing in the MLS and that's all you care about as the NT manager.
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #37
Thursday October 16, 2014 11:14am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
I don't fully agree with dolcem and dunlop on this, though they are two members I usually listen to- to the point of adopting their opinions on things after I leave the site. I'm usually here as a reader not a commenter.

For the record though, in the spring I never said MB should be #10ing it in Brazil. And with a 4-1-4-1 type shape I would not want him as one of the CMs. In a 4-2-3-1, I don't want him as one of the 3. As for his choice, he was about to ride a lot of bench as the WC approached. I'm not saying he made the right choice but he needed to play. I don't know what his range of options was, nor Dempsey's. Some player types need to play.

I don't know if I would be as irritated at JK if he had phrased it differently, and if he would stop making Diskerud and Bradley play each other's positions. I feel like it's a youth team. "Lesson learned, coach: our tough endurance guy needs more attacking flair and our flair guy needs more bite. Can we play normal for the big game, please?"

I think if JK phrased things right he could get everything he needs without bagging on things unnecessarily........ SO.... if Bradley isn't cutting it, just play someone else. Why fuck with his head while you're doing it? The front 4, however you slice it, shouldn't include MB.

Frickin' swap Jozy and Omar while you're at it. See how that works.

Rey Regicide
Post #38
Thursday October 16, 2014 12:54pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from admsghs27

Funny when JK came in as coach he said USA would become a team with more possesion and attack oriented. Instead of experimenting for over 3 years he should come up with a Plan and stick with it. No need to change things often and specially in the last couple days before games. I like how our youth teams are doing really good as of late and hopefully it can transpired to the senior level because most of the players we have now won't do much. I just don't want him to have any veterans after the 2016 copa america, like deuce, Jones, howard, wondo, ect..


It's true that JK promised that at the onset, but the issue is, and always be, the quality of eggs, to borrow from Mourinho, dictates the quality of your omlettes. Our players around the time of Bradley's exit, were NEVER, (looking at you Bocanegra and Gooch) going to fit in seemlessly to the style that klinsman had in mind. It was always going to be a race to how quickly we can implement that at the youth level, and how quickly we can get those players to the USMNT (Hyndman, Gyua, Rubin, Green, Yedlin etc). I'm aware that most of the players coming up have had no benefit to little benefit from Klinsmann's direction, but at the very least, they are not full blown professionals who have adapted to a particular style and mindsight on the pitch. In short once you plant a tree, that tree is grown and you aren't going to move it. The change was always going to be brought forth through the youth. And we are on the verge of seeing that.

Rey Regicide
Post #39
Thursday October 16, 2014 12:58pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
[quote]Original post from dolcem

First of all, these comments are a complete non-story. But if we want to look at a deeper-issue here, the USSF vs. the MLS:

We need someone to shake things up in US soccer. We have so much soccer in this country but it needs to get out of the stone-age. The whole culture from the ground up needs to be rebuilt if we want to start producing world class players. The only way that is happening is a strong authority makes it happen, and that has to the USSF. It has to teach coaches (and parents) from all levels how to coach and guide our top leagues so that they best serve the interests of the national team and the country's soccer as a whole. [quote]

That's why I felt that Klinsman was better suited for Tech Director...

oh he's gotten that title already, AND he's USMNT coach? damn.... I wonder how much of this is paycheck related.

hamsamwich
Post #40
Thursday October 16, 2014 2:04pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,026
Bradley is the one who sees himself as the attacking mid- I don't know what all of you are talking about. And Dolcem I agreed at that time and now about these Bradley problems.

You people didn't watch Holland v Mexico at the World Cup?? I saw a fit Arjen Robben destroy Rafa Marquez time after time until the ref had to call a pk. Rewind in time to April 2 and you will remember a fat Landon getting stonewalled time after time by Marquez. That in itself is the MLS v Europe argument. Landon never became a Robben because he didn't go for it in the tougher leagues. That's the issue here. I can't believe this conversation is being had in a serious way, it's so obvious that Jurgen is correct.

And the World Cup performance was not "subpar" you haters. You don't know what subpar is you aren't old enough to remember 98. Or the opening minutes of 06 when Eddie pope let jan koller waltz in the box for a cheapie. Quit being a bunch of now nothings, take the cotton out of your ears, maybe you will learn something. It must be something to hold a glorified CPA/CEO as an actual soccer whisperer.

Rey Regicide
Post #41
Thursday October 16, 2014 2:30pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
I don't totally blame Pope for that one, I mean, Edide Lewish ( a convert Leftback) was nowhere to be found on the flanks as Czech republic ran through... Also Onyewu was pulled out wide.

Rey Regicide
Post #42
Thursday October 16, 2014 2:52pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
"There's nothing I can do about it," Klinsmann told reporters Monday. "I made it clear with Clint's move back and Michael's move back that it's going to be very difficult to keep the same level that they experienced at the places where they were. It's just reality. It's just being honest."

Is THIS the comment that JK's gotten flack for? Seriously?

And the one about Bradley having to prove that he hasn't lost a bit. The WHOLE WORLD is talking about how Bradley sucked this summer, and suddenly it's bad if Klinsmann wants to see more from Bradley? Not that he sucked, that he has to show that he's not in decline? Is that really the issue?

Would it be better he kept it to himself, then benched Bradley after underwhelming performances in favour of US citizens playing in the MLS who are CLEARLY out performing him? Would that be better PR?

Ok, maybe that would.

hamsamwich
Post #43
Thursday October 16, 2014 2:58pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,026
Exactly. If we remember three different guys literally seconds into the game screwing up that's a big problem. At least we are in games now and it's our inability to close those games out that's costing us. The team's overall level of play has gone up since Jurgen came on board, some or reasons not of his doing, some are his doing. But what is not arguable is the demanding style of Jurgen which is to push our players until they are uncomfortable. Part of that is demanding success and wanting players to push themselves. Yeah for a 20 year old Gil or a Wil Trapp it's impressive but those guys and others need to take the next step to further their careers. Rubin, Hyndman, Flores, Akale, and the other kids are preparing to take your spot if you aren't careful. You can't tell me Canouse isn't benefitting from being in Germany right now.

WWJMD? Sorry bad joke but what will Jordan Morris do?

MSantoine
Post #44
Thursday October 16, 2014 3:45pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from admsghs27

Let's not forget there were a few mls, liga mx players playing that game. And if memory serves me right the player of the game was from MLS, nick rimando.


There were 0 field players from mls. In the two home games there were 4 and 6 field players from mls. None of the mls guys scored and we lost our shape as more came in. There's no denying we were better with the euro guys. Mixx outplayed Bradley. Brooks garza and chandler looked better than Omar and besler. Wondo sucked more than an out of form Jozy. Zusi couldn't hold Grau jock strap. The list goes on and on.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #45
Thursday October 16, 2014 4:12pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,256
If anyone that seriously thinks MLS won't continue to be a massive influence for the USMNT, must be smoking some good shizz.

We all know MLS isn't on par with the big Euro leagues, but let's stop lumping European leagues as a whole

I would argue that most MLS clubs would hold their own in the Eredivisie and the Championship and Bundesliga 2. Most MLS teams would probably be a top of the table of teams in the Norwegian top league or Danish top League.

It's fine to not like the MLS, but let's look at the league with objective eyes.

Yes MLS still has a ways to go.

Yes the salary cap needs to be raised substantially.

Yes single entity may be outgrowing itself.

Yes free agency and player acquisitions from inside MLS needs to be updated.

But I for one am quite happy that MLS is around. I enjoy watching an American Soccer league, and watching it's continued growth.

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