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SiteBomb621
Post #61
Thursday June 23, 2016 8:29pm

Joined Jan 2014
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I see it happening because Klinsmann needs to jump ship fast before his stock really falls flat. Klinsmann like it or not has not done anything his predecessor's have not accomplished, and to be fair, Klinsmann has had the best talent so far. If Arena or Bradley had half the players at Klinsmann's disposal I believe the USMNT would be on a totally different level than they are now. Not saying they'd have a WC that is still ludacris right now, but we'd be much better. AGAIN, Bradley's final game at the 2011 Gold Cup was the strongest team I've ever seen us have, and compared to the team that just beat Ecuador, That Final's team would smoke them, so would the Confed Cup Final squad... and they got smoked throughout that tourney.

I always say I feel so bad for Bradley because he finally understood what needed to be done to fix the USMNT, but that injury to Cherundolo changed the path 100%. He understood no matter the criticism, he took the best talent at a certain position and he PUT THEM ON THE FIELD, JK still hasn' done that because we don't even have the best 10 on the roster EVER. Every person in the finals lost had a specific job and they did it to their max including freddy adu who set up BOTH goals... That final was Howard, Lichaj, Boca, Goodson, Cherundolo, Bradley, Jones, Adu, Donovan, Bedoya, Dempsey 4-2-3-1, that team beast on ANY JK team that he puts out.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #62
Thursday June 23, 2016 8:43pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Wait. Wait. Wait. You can't say: "Klinsmann has had the best talent so far"

and finish with "That final was Howard, Lichaj, Boca, Goodson, Cherundolo, Bradley, Jones, Adu, Donovan, Bedoya, Dempsey 4-2-3-1, that team beast on ANY JK team that he puts out."

Come on people. Do you even think.

The 2 statements are completely opposed to each other. If JK can't possibly put out a lineup that would beat that one, then he can't possibly have the best talent so far.

Our talent is down right now. We are in a transition period. Plain and Simple. I have been saying it for 2 years now.
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dunlopp9987
Post #63
Thursday June 23, 2016 8:53pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,552
Original post from USAGunner

Wait. Wait. Wait. You can't say: "Klinsmann has had the best talent so far"

and finish with "That final was Howard, Lichaj, Boca, Goodson, Cherundolo, Bradley, Jones, Adu, Donovan, Bedoya, Dempsey 4-2-3-1, that team beast on ANY JK team that he puts out."

Come on people. Do you even think.

The 2 statements are completely opposed to each other. If JK can't possibly put out a lineup that would beat that one, then he can't possibly have the best talent so far.

Our talent is down right now. We are in a transition period. Plain and Simple. I have been saying it for 2 years now.


LOL. I have accused people of contradicting themselves on this site before, but this has to be one of the most cut-and-dry examples I've seen. There's no way around it.
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SiteBomb621
Post #64
Thursday June 23, 2016 8:59pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
Original post from USAGunner

Wait. Wait. Wait. You can't say: "Klinsmann has had the best talent so far"

and finish with "That final was Howard, Lichaj, Boca, Goodson, Cherundolo, Bradley, Jones, Adu, Donovan, Bedoya, Dempsey 4-2-3-1, that team beast on ANY JK team that he puts out."

Come on people. Do you even think.

The 2 statements are completely opposed to each other. If JK can't possibly put out a lineup that would beat that one, then he can't possibly have the best talent so far.

Our talent is down right now. We are in a transition period. Plain and Simple. I have been saying it for 2 years now.


Sighhhh.. this is why the typical US fan is a moron. Hello it means he's not selecting the BEST TALENT AVAILABLE... which he is not. You have a 10 in Fielhaber or Nguyen, and you use Bradley who is a 6? God damn like it's really sad how some people cannot grasp the concept of TALENT. Here you go, A JK XI

Howard, Shea, Brooks, Cameron, Yedlin, Bradley, F. Johnson Feilhaber, Williams, Dempsey Wood. 4-1-3-2 That is an XI or
Howard, Shea, Brooks, Cameron, Yedlin, F. Johnson, Bradley, Jones, Feilhaber, Wood, Dempsey 4-3-1-2

blaise213
Post #65
Thursday June 23, 2016 9:09pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,458
Ill sum up this thread! Bradley does not start against these teams:

Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, away Concacaf games or any other fast/technical teams that attack.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #66
Thursday June 23, 2016 9:09pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
I mean you do realize that the talent that YOU say is BETTER was in their prime when Bradley was the coach...and NOT being picked either? They have had WORSE results when JK picked them, then the ones he does pick.

YOu make no sense. So those guys are better why? because YOU say so? So laughable. Sorry Nguyen, Feilhaber, Sacha have NO proof that they are better than what JK chooses. We do have proof that they are WORSE, but not better.
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Know Nothing
Post #67
Thursday June 23, 2016 10:31pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,221
Original post from SiteBomb621

Sighhhh.. this is why the typical US fan is a moron. Hello it means he's not selecting the BEST TALENT AVAILABLE... which he is not. You have a 10 in Fielhaber or Nguyen, and you use Bradley who is a 6? God damn like it's really sad how some people cannot grasp the concept of TALENT. Here you go, A JK XI

Howard, Shea, Brooks, Cameron, Yedlin, Bradley, F. Johnson Feilhaber, Williams, Dempsey Wood. 4-1-3-2 That is an XI or
Howard, Shea, Brooks, Cameron, Yedlin, F. Johnson, Bradley, Jones, Feilhaber, Wood, Dempsey 4-3-1-2


Talent is not everything. There is also work ethic, tactical awareness, and an ability to work with the players around you.

kicksNgiggles10
Birmingham
Post #68
Thursday October 13, 2016 7:11pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 569
Been away for a while so idk if I missed someone else post this:

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2016/10/06/

Wahl reporting that AC Milan and Bologna are possibly looking to acquire Bradley in Jan. Bologna for a loan and Milan for purchase.

johnvuke
Dallas
Post #69
Thursday October 13, 2016 10:34pm

Joined Aug 2016
Total Posts: 26
Good, he needs it. His form has taken a dump since he came to Tornoto.

dolcem
Post #70
Thursday October 19, 2017 10:30pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,755
I think this thread needs to be resurrected.

Let's talk about Michael Bradley. This is the guy that was anointed by the American soccer media as being on his way towards becoming the best American field player of all time. They gushed about this guy more than any other player in American history, not even Reyna, Donovan, or Dempsey, or any goalie.

He was on pace to having the best career abroad of any American field player (aside from maybe Dempsey), and had two more World Cups to improve upon his impressive showing in 2010.

Instead he took the money and ended his prime half a decade early by playing in a second-tier league for a crap team (it took them years to improve). He did this right hbefore the World Cup, and he was our worst player at the tournament. Then, he captained the USNT in the next cycle to its greatest failure in history.

Mediocrity sucks, and there is no place for mercenaries on the USNT.

**** Michael Bradley.
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Know Nothing
Post #71
Thursday October 19, 2017 10:58pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,221
Perhaps we should have taken notice when he didn't get many minutes while on loan to a rather poor Aston Villa side. At the time we blamed the league, but if you lack heart in the EPL and you play for a struggling team, you are not going to play no matter how talented you are.

The glaring numbers...over the course of a 6 month loan in 2011 he played a total of 99 minutes over 4 matches.

navi8132
New York
Post #72
Thursday October 19, 2017 11:02pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,751
There has been a push to "get over" our inferiority complex and insecurities as American soccer players. Bullshit. You can't just boost a person's confidence without boosting their playing ability, confidence comes from how you play. As far as the USA player pool (lets say top 50 players).......we deserve and rightly should have low confidence in US Soccer players overall (in general).

Rey Regicide
Post #73
Thursday October 19, 2017 11:34pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,965
Original post from dolcem

I think this thread needs to be resurrected.

Let's talk about Michael Bradley. This is the guy that was anointed by the American soccer media as being on his way towards becoming the best American field player of all time. They gushed about this guy more than any other player in American history, not even Reyna, Donovan, or Dempsey, or any goalie.

He was on pace to having the best career abroad of any American field player (aside from maybe Dempsey), and had two more World Cups to improve upon his impressive showing in 2010.

Instead he took the money and ended his prime half a decade early by playing in a second-tier league for a crap team (it took them years to improve). He did this right hbefore the World Cup, and he was our worst player at the tournament. Then, he captained the USNT in the next cycle to its greatest failure in history.

Mediocrity sucks, and there is no place for mercenaries on the USNT.

**** Michael Bradley.


I don't think it's the players fault. If they chase money, let them eat chase.

Bradley did his dirt, and when he was on the decline, there should ahve been 10 Bradley's waiting to take his place definitively. But there wasn't. I mean you coudl argue Roldan is better than Bradley at this point, but it's not defintiive.

Does Bradley deserve hate. I used to feel strongly, but honestly, he's beena nat since 19, 20 years old, almost etn years of running and the loss of athleticism meant that he was NEVER going to make it up with skill. He was declining fast and when he was on, he was on. It was time to replace him in 2015 sans some bright spots in the friendlies which we swore noone cared about, definitely in 2016. But it never happened, how was that his fault.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #74
Friday October 20, 2017 1:56am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,298
The only issue I have with MB, and it is a big one, is he couldn't do more as captain to get the team playing at a suitable level to compete against T&T.

While that game is going on...say 15 minutes into that shitty first half. Why isn't he in Nagbe and Jozy's face to get their heads in the game. I didn't see him trying to encourage or rally the others to lift their game. If he did it wasn't evident.

The other thing is he's playing out of position as a lone 6...poor fit. Play him as an 8 with a true 6 covering and Pulisic above him. Let him compete for the 8 with others...open competition.

Dave
Post #75
Friday October 20, 2017 2:14am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 766
My take on Bradley is that a number of factors have contributed to the increased number of poor performances over the last couple years...
1) Positioning. JK tried to make Bradley a #10. JK & Arena then used him as a #6. Bradley is neither. His best performances for both Club & Country were when he was deployed as an #8 Box-to-Box CM. As an 8 he wasn't held solely responsible for defending or creating. He shared the responsibility with a partner. For the last 8 years he's been tasked to perform roles that he's not suited for.
2) Who he's been paired with over the years. In 2010 Bradley was paired with Edu & Clark...2 players who would do to dirty work and allow him freedom to move about. Donovan & Dempsey provided the creativity. In 2014 he was paired with Jones, who he had to frequently cover for as JJ would wonder. Since 2014 he's been paired mostly with JJ...or inexperienced CMs. Some of his best work was when he was paired with Lletget in a 4-2-3-1, but that was derailed due to injury.
3) Eroding skills. Ever since leaving Europe he hasn't had to truly compete for his position at the club or international level. Williams & Morales weren't given very many opportunities as JK continued to use Beckerman & JJ through the Copa America (2016). Bruce has favored McCarty. Acosta, Roldan, McKennie, etc....are just now starting to emerge as options to either Challenge or Partner with Bradley.

Now I'm not defending his play or performances....I'm trying to point out that both JK & Arena did not put him a position to truly succeed. And at this point I feel that he should be left off the rosters going forward. Give his time to the players who could actually contribute to the teams come 2021 and beyond.

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