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Post #16
Monday September 22, 2014 5:24pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 320
If anything, can we have Solo dropped for those disgusting photos that leaked? I know, they were likely hacked, but still.......gross.

In all seriousness, she's a severe distraction for the team and has let her personal life trump her success on the field. With other successful 'keepers, I think it's time to say goodbye, at least for a little while so she can learn to keep her hands (and cellphone camera) to herself.
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joey11
Post #17
Monday September 22, 2014 7:43pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 281
There is a difference between a fight between family members or others (all sides throwing punches) and domestic violence. Correct me if I'm wrong but in Solo's case all sides were fighting. Don't get me wrong, fights amongst adults where punches are thrown is "childish" and wrong. Solo's case is different than the cases involving the NFL players. Now as far as removing her I have a different take on why she should step aside for now. For a while her life has been crazy stemming to her then fiance (now husband I believe) beating her up. Her recent past involves quite a bit of violence. If she is a distraction, she should see it and step out as US keeper for the moment.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #18
Tuesday September 23, 2014 2:54am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,408
Original post from MSantoine

A couple of things:

Firstly you are correct. People shouldnt hit people. However let me give you some theoretical situations. Lets say Dempseys at a bar and he ends up in a fight with some 20-30 something bar patrons. Should he be suspended? What if Julian Green gets in a skirmish at practice? Is that suspendable? It isnt so black and white is it.

Actually the NFL did not suspend Peterson, Hardy, or Dwyer. They are all still being paid and the individual teams chose to not play them (and the commissioner didnt oppose it).

And again if a male files rape charges against a woman is it treated the same? Right or wrong you cant say that it is.


If Dempsey gets in a fight at a bar, as much as I would totally encourage that - because, you know, DEMPSEY - then yeah he should be suspended. You think Klinnsman would hesitate to suspend him if he got arrested for that fight, or had the debacle in national news? I think he'd be at least indefinitely benched, or not called up until "he sorts out his personal issues".

Julian Green: A skirmish at practice is far from having domestic violence charges pending and a court date to attend next month. You're right it's not black and white, but it's absolutely not so grey that you can't distinguish what's justifiably punishable, at least in the scenarios you've given me.

In regard to rape, which is different than what we're talking about here, you're right. It's definitely not treated the same. It should be. The point of my arguments here isn't what merits a suspension or not, but a response to the uprising in feminist media (most of which I agree with) to NFL and issues concerning professional male athletes and how they should be held to the same standard as the rest of humanity. They want to hold us to a higher standard. Now I'm not trying to give you guys a lesson here on feminism, but the ultimate goal of feminism is equal rights and treatment for men AND women (legally, socially, in the work force, in every aspect of life). If you can apply that standard to male athletes but you can't be an advocate for equality when a female athlete beats someone (whatever the circumstance, she has tangible charges), rapes someone, or commits any other crime, then that ideal has no leg to stand on.

So again, either there should be no punishment from either the NFL or US Soccer, or both parties should implement punishments. If you want to take the stance that these organizations can and should function independently of whatever social standard is being set and whatever other organizations are doing, then that's fine too. I just want everyone to be consistent.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #19
Tuesday September 23, 2014 3:29am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,288
Great post Fraser. Domestic violence is a HUGE problem in the NFL. This Ray Rice incident along with Greg Hardy and Ray McDonald has really pushed it over the top. Also lets not forget Solo is married to Jerramy Stevens who wasn't known as the most upstanding guy in the league.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #20
Tuesday September 23, 2014 3:44am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,408
Original post from EKneezy

Great post Fraser. Domestic violence is a HUGE problem in the NFL. This Ray Rice incident along with Greg Hardy and Ray McDonald has really pushed it over the top. Also lets not forget Solo is married to Jerramy Stevens who wasn't known as the most upstanding guy in the league.


Yeah I've read they don't have a very... gentle relationship. She's been linked with some unprovoked rage before as well. Honestly I'm not surprised; a lot of athletes just have that personality. Doesn't justify it, but it makes it a little more understandable. They get fired up easily.

MSantoine
Post #21
Tuesday September 23, 2014 12:15pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
If your innocent until proven guilty then other than Ray Rice (who took a plea deal to prevent serious charges if I recall) than none of the other NFL players are guilty of anything. The NFL hadnt to this point treated them any different than any other member of society.

Take teachers or police officers for example. If they get charges against them they arent fired/waived/suspended without pay. They either get to keep working or get suspended with pay (free vacation) until the due process plays out.

db707
Post #22
Tuesday September 23, 2014 4:51pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,068
Greg Hardy was found guilty and is appealing, so that situation of the NFL cases is a bit different, he is guilty in the eyes of the law at this moment.

MSantoine
Post #23
Tuesday September 23, 2014 7:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from db707

Greg Hardy was found guilty and is appealing, so that situation of the NFL cases is a bit different, he is guilty in the eyes of the law at this moment.


Actually he is currently innocent. In North Carolina if a judge finds you guilty of a misdemeanor (which it was in this case) you can appeal for a jury trial. Once you file the appeal you are deemed innocent again until the trial is over.

db707
Post #24
Tuesday September 23, 2014 7:57pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,068
Original post from MSantoine

Actually he is currently innocent. In North Carolina if a judge finds you guilty of a misdemeanor (which it was in this case) you can appeal for a jury trial. Once you file the appeal you are deemed innocent again until the trial is over.


Thanks for the clarification, that's quite odd. My family left a couple of generations ago, I clearly haven't kept up with the nuances of North Carolina law. Anyway, my broader point is that you can't lump all of the cases together, they're all unique and should be judged in their individual contexts. U.S. Soccer has since come out and supported keeping Hope Solo in the national team pool for now. This is their prerogative to do, and maybe they have information we don't that affects their judgment. But you can support her while also realizing her presence may (rightly or wrongly) bring negative attention to the team and understanding that the three backups need playing time and competition for the backup places that they can get in camp and in the games against lesser opposition (all of Concacaf with Canada automatically qualified), and this is a fine time to accomplish that.

skangles
DC
Post #25
Tuesday September 23, 2014 9:57pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,448
Original post from MSantoine
Take teachers or police officers for example. If they get charges against them they arent fired/waived/suspended without pay. They either get to keep working or get suspended with pay (free vacation) until the due process plays out.


That's exactly how US Soccer should have handled Solo, by suspending her until due process plays out. The issue isn't whether Hope should be given due process, the issue is that US soccer continued to play her and celebrate her achievements whilst she has a pending court date for alleged domestic violence.

The topic of pay is different given that players only get paid for participating in camps/games so she wouldn't have been paid during a suspension in the same way that there isn't payment for players in the WNT player pool that were not called up.

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