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skangles
DC
Post #1
Saturday September 20, 2014 10:27pm

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Amidst all the controversy surrounding the domestic abuse in the NFL, Hope Solo played for the WNT against Mexico and was celebrated for breaking the US Shutout record despite her upcoming court date for having allegedly physically abused her sister and nephew in June.

US Soccer has handled the Solo situation in the way that the NFL used to handle domestic abuse incidents with their players, effectively ignoring the issue. The NY Times is not having it and issued a scathing article on US Soccer's handling of Hope Solo.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/20/sports/socc...

MSantoine
Post #2
Saturday September 20, 2014 10:52pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Fair or not gender always effects things. Different crimes are viewed and criticized very differently. Here's two examples

Man is accused of sexual assault or rape. Outcry is huge. No one defends it. What happens when a man files a sexual assault charge against a woman? People snicker and make jokes.

Domestic violence is the same way. If a guy presses charges against a woman people call him weak, a "fairy" other things. Woman attacks a woman and people snicker cat fight.

Assault should be assault. Violence is violence. Can't blame us soccer when everyone looks at things differently when it's a female accused instead of a male.

AVFC
Post #3
Saturday September 20, 2014 10:58pm

Joined May 2013
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Innocent until proven guilty, does that not apply to athletes? Solo has charges that are being contested. The NFL player has video evidence, making it extremely unlikely that what he did was anything other than unjustified assault. I greatly dislike Solo and don't think she should be on the team, but just because you are charged with something doesn't mean it actually happened. Let us not forget that as the media tries to jump on any story they can spin/sell.

skangles
DC
Post #4
Saturday September 20, 2014 11:16pm

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There is video of Rice and Peterson but I don't believe there is video of Hardy or Dwyer. All of these players have been deactivated. I don't see how Solo is any different and I don't think this is the NY Times desperately trying to create a story. They're pointing out the paradox that exists across different segments of professional sports.

MSAntoine, I agree that portions of the public react differently based on gender but US Soccer has a reputation to uphold.

db707
Post #5
Sunday September 21, 2014 11:51am

Joined Oct 2013
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I believe Solo should be dropped for the qualifying tournament in October. There are perfectly good soccer (promoting competition for goalkeeper places) and non-soccer (public perception) reasons to play Barnhart, Harris or Naeher. There would be no difference in the results, such is the gap between us and the rest of Concacaf when you take Canada out of the equation. Solo's trial is November 4, I'd drop her from the team and wait for the legal process to play out. As MSAntoine noted U.S. Soccer does have a reputation to uphold and should seek a higher standard (for athletes representing our country, which is a privilege, not a right). This is a case where the old adage of any publicity being good publicity doesn't apply.

db707
Post #6
Sunday September 21, 2014 11:53am

Joined Oct 2013
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Sorry, Skangles I was quoting you there. Clearly just woke up...

MSantoine
Post #7
Sunday September 21, 2014 12:08pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Also let's not forget Peterson and rice were 230 pound top athletes in the world who hit a 4 year old and a woman.

Solo is a woman who hit another adult woman and a 17 year old male.

To me the crimes are very different. The NFL guys prayed on defenseless people. Solo got in a fight with her peers.

tjknowsall
Post #8
Monday September 22, 2014 2:21am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 436
yo no one is solo's pear unless its another athlete... she is a fucking moose

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #9
Monday September 22, 2014 2:30am

Joined Sep 2012
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domestic violence is domestic violence. People shouldn't hit people. In terms of the law, which should be , and is argued to be, established on equality of the individuals, there should not be a difference on severity of the punishments because the crime was committed by a man or a woman. From that we have two options, clearly sports teams aren't the law, so either US Soccer is making a mistake, or the NFL shouldn't feel obligated to suspend their players for things they haven't been convicted of doing yet. The standard should be the same regardless of evidence, gender of those partaking, or otherwise.

skangles
DC
Post #10
Monday September 22, 2014 3:14am

Joined Jan 2013
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Original post from Fraser31

domestic violence is domestic violence. People shouldn't hit people. In terms of the law, which should be , and is argued to be, established on equality of the individuals, there should not be a difference on severity of the punishments because the crime was committed by a man or a woman. From that we have two options, clearly sports teams aren't the law, so either US Soccer is making a mistake, or the NFL shouldn't feel obligated to suspend their players for things they haven't been convicted of doing yet. The standard should be the same regardless of evidence, gender of those partaking, or otherwise.


Yes, this. Well said.

admsghs27
Post #11
Monday September 22, 2014 7:37am

Joined Nov 2012
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Solo Should be banned for life. She is a joke to us soccer domestic violence is what it is no matter who it is. Is not her first time being in trouble also.

db707
Post #12
Monday September 22, 2014 1:00pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,068
Original post from Fraser31

domestic violence is domestic violence. People shouldn't hit people. In terms of the law, which should be , and is argued to be, established on equality of the individuals, there should not be a difference on severity of the punishments because the crime was committed by a man or a woman. From that we have two options, clearly sports teams aren't the law, so either US Soccer is making a mistake, or the NFL shouldn't feel obligated to suspend their players for things they haven't been convicted of doing yet. The standard should be the same regardless of evidence, gender of those partaking, or otherwise.


Definitely agree. I haven't hit anyone since I was 13, because as I became an adult I figured out that as an adult you can't settle disputes with violence (not only legal ramifications, but it also simply doesn't solve anything, indeed it usually exacerbates problems). Hope Solo is 33 years old. Regardless of who she allegedly hit, if she did it, she should know better. Dropping her for the October games is to me a no-brainer for U.S. Soccer to do while waiting for the legal process to play out.

navi8132
New York
Post #13
Monday September 22, 2014 1:04pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Sports organizations are not penal systems. Leave the penalty distribution to the courts.

db707
Post #14
Monday September 22, 2014 1:45pm

Joined Oct 2013
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How is not being picked for a national team in a series of games you're not needed to play in anyway a penalty? It would be withholding from her the granting of a privilege until the facts of her case are settled. There is no right to be picked for your country's national team, you can be dropped for any number of reasons (behavior, rapport with your teammates, impact on the brand) that don't even come close to legal issues. The courts will mete out the appropriate penalty, if any, and then U.S. Soccer can make a longer term decision re: her national team career.

MSantoine
Post #15
Monday September 22, 2014 5:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from Fraser31

domestic violence is domestic violence. People shouldn't hit people. In terms of the law, which should be , and is argued to be, established on equality of the individuals, there should not be a difference on severity of the punishments because the crime was committed by a man or a woman. From that we have two options, clearly sports teams aren't the law, so either US Soccer is making a mistake, or the NFL shouldn't feel obligated to suspend their players for things they haven't been convicted of doing yet. The standard should be the same regardless of evidence, gender of those partaking, or otherwise.


A couple of things:

Firstly you are correct. People shouldnt hit people. However let me give you some theoretical situations. Lets say Dempseys at a bar and he ends up in a fight with some 20-30 something bar patrons. Should he be suspended? What if Julian Green gets in a skirmish at practice? Is that suspendable? It isnt so black and white is it.

Actually the NFL did not suspend Peterson, Hardy, or Dwyer. They are all still being paid and the individual teams chose to not play them (and the commissioner didnt oppose it).

And again if a male files rape charges against a woman is it treated the same? Right or wrong you cant say that it is.

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