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Rey Regicide
Post #61
Monday March 20, 2017 1:04pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,840
Original post from Dave

There are a number of positions where I wish we had more competition/better options, unfortunately the positions we need the most assistance (Outside Back) don't appear to have much in the way of depth...at least not yet.

Ultimately the Gold Cup will help Identify/Solidify replacements for....
1) Bedoya: His play on the wing has been poor. We need real wide options/depth. Hoping that Green, Gooch, & Arriola can step up and give us an attacking option opposite Pulisic.
2) Zusi: Should have been shelved long ago, and probably wouldn't have gotten the latest call if not for all the injuries/suspensions. But still we need better players than this even in our 3rd/4th stringers.
3) Howard: Age catches up to everyone eventually. We can't keep relying on Howard to bail us out. Need Horvath or someone else to step it up.
4) Dempsey: Another player we've relied on for too long/much. If he's kept around as a super-sub....fine. But he doesn't have the legs to be a full time starter anymore.
5) Jones: He maybe a freak of nature, but at any time now he could be done. Williams, Hyndman, & Acosta are the most likely candidates, but they need to be integrated into the team.
6) Orozco, Wondo, Evans, Marshall, and the rest of the rejects shouldn't get called up anymore. Not even for January Camps. It's past time we moved away from including these types of players in the player pool.

After 2018 the turnover is going to be even larger and more important. When we have to replace Cameron, Fabian, Bradley, & Jozy as starters and most of our depth options (Williams, Morales, Chandler, Lichaj, ArJo, etc....). Hopefully the current crop of prospects progress better than the last group did.


I defend Adu

I will defend Wondo Orozco, Evans Marshall. =D

Orozco got us the first ever win in Azteca, and regardless of what he was capable of, he did what the manager told him to do. Who knows, Jurgen probably asked him to fly a plane once, and he did it. Because he's a team guy. It's not his fault he's not a licensed pilot.

Evans, I too hated him because I thought he was as vanilla as they come. Just your run of the mill Thorrington/Boswell/Arnuad/Noonan/Marsch average MLS player that you wish would just go away because we want our guys to be in the highest leagues possible (I'm admitting to it, I'm not just dogging you guys). But gosh darn it, this guy got game. HE scored that "oh it wasn't that insignificant goal" vs Jamaica to give us points we desperately needed. And honestly, after Cameron, he's made my list of "you don't think he has game, or foot skills, but he would probably school you in futsal" players. Evans has touch, and decent control. And he actually produced for our country.

Wondo, oh boy, Wondo, what is there to say that hasn't been said. All I know is this guy probably gets asked to fly the plane, but then later gets asked to do some crash testing ala "Spies like us". He'll do anything so long as he gets a US shirt. Someone get him a world soccer coupon.

Marshall. Ok Marshall I can live with denigrating.

Dave
Post #62
Tuesday March 21, 2017 2:00am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 721
Original post from Rey Regicide

I defend Adu

I will defend Wondo Orozco, Evans Marshall. =D

Orozco got us the first ever win in Azteca, and regardless of what he was capable of, he did what the manager told him to do. Who knows, Jurgen probably asked him to fly a plane once, and he did it. Because he's a team guy. It's not his fault he's not a licensed pilot.

Evans, I too hated him because I thought he was as vanilla as they come. Just your run of the mill Thorrington/Boswell/Arnuad/Noonan/Marsch average MLS player that you wish would just go away because we want our guys to be in the highest leagues possible (I'm admitting to it, I'm not just dogging you guys). But gosh darn it, this guy got game. HE scored that "oh it wasn't that insignificant goal" vs Jamaica to give us points we desperately needed. And honestly, after Cameron, he's made my list of "you don't think he has game, or foot skills, but he would probably school you in futsal" players. Evans has touch, and decent control. And he actually produced for our country.

Wondo, oh boy, Wondo, what is there to say that hasn't been said. All I know is this guy probably gets asked to fly the plane, but then later gets asked to do some crash testing ala "Spies like us". He'll do anything so long as he gets a US shirt. Someone get him a world soccer coupon.

Marshall. Ok Marshall I can live with denigrating.


You can defend their past exploits to your hearts content. However, moving forward these are not players who should be receiving call-ups. At some point, regardless of past performances, the coaching staff need to move on from veterans who have a diminishing return, are always injured, etc... Players like Evans, Wondo, Orozco, Gordon, and others of their caliber/age have served their purpose. It's time to give younger options a chance to prove themselves or fail.

hamsamwich
Post #63
Tuesday March 21, 2017 3:30am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,501
Not so fast @dave. He rides again!

Dave
Post #64
Tuesday March 21, 2017 4:59am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 721
Original post from hamsamwich

Not so fast @dave. He rides again!


Almost smashed my laptop when I read that Wondo was called in again. I can only guess that Chris has some kind of dirt on US Soccer at this point considering he was a regular under JK (even made the WC squad over other striker options), and now seems to have wormed his way into call-ups from Bruce.

Rey Regicide
Post #65
Tuesday March 21, 2017 5:00pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,840
HAH

I was saying, Dave, that those players deserve to be shelved, but not denigrated. They were scrubs called into our fold and performed the best they could and at times contributed. Like Adu. Just don't speak of them.

However. lol, LOL at Wondo continually getting callups. Only, only because of what that means with regards to JK's incessant call ups of Super 8

hamsamwich
Post #66
Wednesday March 22, 2017 1:15am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,501
Wondo has been a failure because the team can't possess and attack against anybody worth a damn. Klose never made himself a goal either but he had great service, always- playing for Germany will do that for you. Wondo has had shit. Dempsey and Donovan did well because they could make a counterattack play, but let's be honest, our strikers have been starving since before McBride. Wondo is just the next in line. MLS fanboys can't hate though, he will be alltime MLS scorer soon, a league with equal-ish players where he can get service, he will score.

It's for that reason Kenny saief should be called in, because he is more creative than many we have. Then maybe we could have a wondo or a Jozy be more consistent, because we are playing on the "front foot" with attacking players who can provide service to strikers.

cleancutimage
Post #67
Wednesday March 22, 2017 1:46am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,179
If Kenny Sayef was in MLS, he would have been called in by Bruce. Any player playing in Europe that is debatable isn't going to get a call-up by Bruce. Bruce is to the American playing in European as JK was to the American playing in MLS. There is no reason barring injury that Danny Williams, Morales, Hyndman should not be getting called up over likes of McCarty, Bedoya, Kljestan.

And you guys who are huge on Nagbe, that dude is the most overrated player in our pool. If he was as great as some of you make him out to be he would have been on a flight to Europe many moons ago. There is a reason Celtic didn't break the bank for him and Celtic do not play in that great of a league. So if he was that great, they should be confident enough to think he would terrorize that league. Nagbe until more consistent is a slightly above average MLS player, which isn't saying much.

Also, a player that should be getting a closer look and could be a target striker is Bjorn Maars-Johnsen. Why isn't there any outrage about him not getting a look?

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #68
Wednesday March 22, 2017 3:40am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 884
The more I think about USMNT direction, the more depressing it gets... Maybe Herzog takes over after 2018

Rey Regicide
Post #69
Wednesday March 22, 2017 11:04am

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,840
i guarantee you, if we win these two games, convincingly

there are going to be love articles on Nagbe.

MSantoine
Post #70
Wednesday March 22, 2017 11:18am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,721
Original post from cleancutimage

Also, a player that should be getting a closer look and could be a target striker is Bjorn Maars-Johnsen. Why isn't there any outrage about him not getting a look?


Johnsen has been out of Hearts lineup for awhile now. Id say a guy not making the field for a Scottish mid table team shouldnt be in our WCQ matches.

You can argue he should have gotten a look in November but not now as something is clearly off with his form.

MSantoine
Post #71
Wednesday March 22, 2017 11:26am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,721
Also I cant disagree more regarding Sayef. I dont get the love for him. He prefers to play for Israel and has stated he would accept any Israel call up. So Im assuming he didnt turn down this qualifying roster. Here are some of the midfielders that were chosen over him:

Refaelov - A 30 yr old attacking mid for Brugge (Belgian League) whose best days are behind him.
Kayal - 28 yr old playing in Championship League
Einbinder - 28yr old playing for mid table Israeli team.
Keltjens - 21yr old playing for mid table Israeli team (0 caps)
Micha - 25yr old playing for a top Israeli team (0 caps).

There's 5 guys who on paper should be behind Sayef. One guy slightly younger, one guy slightly older, both playing in a lower level and both with 0 caps.

If Israel thinks guys like that are better than Sayef, and US thinks guys like Sacha, Bedoya, Arriola, Nagbe are better than Sayef then maybe Sayef just isnt that good.

Know Nothing
Post #72
Wednesday March 22, 2017 3:11pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,129
Original post from hamsamwich

Wondo has been a failure because the team can't possess and attack against anybody worth a damn. Klose never made himself a goal either but he had great service, always- playing for Germany will do that for you. Wondo has had shit. Dempsey and Donovan did well because they could make a counterattack play, but let's be honest, our strikers have been starving since before McBride. Wondo is just the next in line. MLS fanboys can't hate though, he will be alltime MLS scorer soon, a league with equal-ish players where he can get service, he will score.



I don't dispute your point, Wondo has been starved for service. In fact, after facing Wondo, John Terry was surprised he was not a USMNT regular as he found him difficult to mark (this was Terry of 5 or 6 years ago).

That being said, Wondo can be deemed a failure because when chances have come his way he has not been clinical enough.

bjelks
Post #73
Wednesday March 22, 2017 4:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 381
Wondo hasn't been a failure, because he was never international quality in the first place.

No peace.

No power or explosiveness in the air.

Poor technique and quality finishing anything other than a tap in.

No 1 v 1 ability.
goalsense
jayboy
Post #74
Wednesday March 22, 2017 4:32pm

Joined Sep 2016
Total Posts: 9
Johnsen and Kitchen have been largely benched due to a coaching change. Ian Cathro came on as the Hearts coach in December and he cut their playing time. He's been under fire and may not last. It's a bummer, but I agree that if they are really good enough they'll win back playing time.

Sayef was allegedly going to be called by Israel but was injured right before this international window. So it's possible that Israel does rate him higher than some of those players.

I am moderately enthusiastic about him. I don't think he's a current starter by any means, but he's getting more minutes and playing at a higher level than Caleb Stanko, Juan Agudelo, Kelyn Rowe, Ethan Finlay, and even Lletget. Those are all players in the 22-25 range that I view as good but just outside the Nats. Would I take him over Bedoya on the wing? Maybe. I think it's worth checking him out in a camp to see where he may be in the depth chart.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #75
Wednesday March 22, 2017 4:40pm

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 884
Original post from bjelks

Wondo hasn't been a failure, because he was never international quality in the first place.

No peace.

No power or explosiveness in the air.

Poor technique and quality finishing anything other than a tap in.

No 1 v 1 ability.


Yet he is rated above Julian Green by our shiny newly minted coach. We can always debate that Buli 2 and MLS are at the same level. Should have called Green.

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