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Jzaval01
Post #1
Wednesday September 10, 2014 2:46am

Joined May 2013
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With Cubo Torres starting and making his debut today for Mexico and Joao PLata earning his call up and playing against Bolivia and prob will play against Brazil and Oyongo from NY red Bulls called for Cameroon. Is the league starting to be considered by national teams as a quality league that can produce international players to possible play a role for their respective national teams? Its one thing a national team calling a veteran like Keane, its another calling young players not established in the national team

skangles
DC
Post #2
Wednesday September 10, 2014 3:04am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,420
I cannot believe that Chivas gave Chivas USA the right to buy Torres when they extended his loan. Out of all of the mind boggling decisions made by Vergara's organizations the Cubo Torres MLS right to buy is one of the most head scratching.

Chivas USA / MLS definitely needs to execute that right. Heck, if he continues to light it up and play with the national team the MLS can always turn around and sell him back to Chivas for a huge markup.

Jzaval01
Post #3
Wednesday September 10, 2014 3:16am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Original post from skangles

I cannot believe that Chivas gave Chivas USA the right to buy Torres when they extended his loan. Out of all of the mind boggling decisions made by Vergara's organizations the Cubo Torres MLS right to buy is one of the most head scratching.

Chivas USA / MLS definitely needs to execute that right. Heck, if he continues to light it up and play with the national team the MLS can always turn around and sell him back to Chivas for a huge markup.


well Cubo was struggling to do much of anything back then. Chivas USA made him into that goal scoring machine. If cubo was this good before going to Chivas USA then he they would have put that buy out clause

skangles
DC
Post #4
Wednesday September 10, 2014 3:28am

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Original post from Jzaval01

well Cubo was struggling to do much of anything back then. Chivas USA made him into that goal scoring machine. If cubo was this good before going to Chivas USA then he they would have put that buy out clause


In June? They obtained the option to buy when they extended his loan three months ago. It seems too unbelievable to be true and it would be in any environment other than Chivas.

When they received the right to buy:

1) The MLS had already taken over Chivas USA and announced they would be rebranded.
2) Cubo Torres had 9 Goals at the time. He was the third leading scorer in the league.
3) His career stats with Chivas USA at the time were 16 goals in 29 caps.
4) Chivas Guadalajara had just finished the 2013 Apertura in 16th place and the 2014 Clausura in 15th place. They were horrible and in dire need for a spark.
5) Unrelated to Torres but just for fun, before the start of the Clausura Chivas loaned out their other star player Marco Fabian on a two year deal to Liga MX powerhouse Cruz Azul.

You can't make this stuff up.

Jzaval01
Post #5
Wednesday September 10, 2014 3:35am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Original post from skangles

In June? They obtained the option to buy when they extended his loan three months ago. It seems too unbelievable to be true and it would be in any environment other than Chivas.

When they received the right to buy:

1) The MLS had already taken over Chivas USA and announced they would be rebranded.
2) Cubo Torres had 9 Goals at the time. He was the third leading scorer in the league.
3) His career stats with Chivas USA at the time were 16 goals in 29 caps.
4) Chivas Guadalajara had just finished the 2013 Apertura in 16th place and the 2014 Clausura in 15th place. They were horrible and in dire need for a spark.
5) Unrelated to Torres but just for fun, before the start of the Clausura Chivas loaned out their other star player Marco Fabian on a two year deal to Liga MX powerhouse Cruz Azul.

You can't make this stuff up.


Haha ill will admit idk about the facts i thought that buy option came in when they first loaned cubo. I was just trying to make sense of the whole situation. IDK maybe they know they wont play him knowing the situation they are in. Relegation battle.
Note
Very unlucky for Cubo. Almost notched his first goal against Bolivia. Started the danger with a 1 and 2 touch but the keeper made a fantastic save. Still helped with the goal since it rebounded

admsghs27
Post #6
Wednesday September 10, 2014 4:21am

Joined Nov 2012
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Bolivia has an American player that started. He is from LA I think. Tried out in mls a couple years ago but did not work out and played very good in Bolivia now a regular for their team.

MSantoine
Post #7
Wednesday September 10, 2014 12:25pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Its definitely a good sign that other national teams are viewing MLS as high enough quality for their players (unlike Scandanavian leagues). The more other country internationals MLS can produce and send to major tourneys (Copa, Euros, World Cup) the more other countries will take notice and it will only grow from their. Hopefully by 2022 we are viewed as on par with France, Netherlands, and Portugal

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #8
Wednesday September 10, 2014 1:42pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Can't wait for the CBA and cap expansion...once we get that in place, coming to the US to play will be a lot more attractive to young talent.

hamsamwich
Post #9
Wednesday September 10, 2014 2:53pm

Joined Oct 2013
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I once hit Vergara with a peanut at a Tecos-Chivas game my cousin took me to when I was on vacation. Sorry they are now estudiantes Tecos, mired in the 2nd division. Vergara won that battle.

Keep an eye on the young Ghanians here in America sent by that right to dream academy. What's also interesting to me is guys like Dwyer and Torres whose value has skyrocketed now to the point it will take a real offer to make them transfer.

blaise213
Post #10
Wednesday December 31, 2014 7:07pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,924
The 2015 MLS season could be something really special if:
1. American DP slot added
2. Salary cap increases from Fox TV deal

If the American DP slot is added, the quality level in MLS would go up significantly.

Seattle - Dempsey and Alonso go off the books ( 2 DPS can be added)
Toronto - Bradley off the books (2 DPS added via defoe sale)
LA Galaxy - Gonzalez off the books (2 high profile DP's will be added)

This would pave way for Diskerud, Altidore, Kljestan, Agudelo to come into the league. There are even Bedoya rumors to MLS.

A team like NYCFC could feature: Villa, Lampard, Snijeder, Altidore

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If the salary cap increases, then obviously that would increase the level of play.

I think some of the DP contracts could be regular signings, such as the new DP Orlando City signing of the honduran player. That would open back up a new DP slot for Orlando.

TheTruth
Post #11
Wednesday December 31, 2014 9:13pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
All it takes is money. My sense is that MLS has managed the league so far almost flawlessly. The rise in quality and popularity has been amazing. So, I generally defer to the decisions of Garber & the owners.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #12
Thursday January 1, 2015 1:51pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,147
Original post from TheTruth

My sense is that MLS has managed the league so far almost flawlessly.


'Well' is one word and 'flawlessly' is another.

TheTruth
Post #13
Thursday January 1, 2015 5:17pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
I expected to get bludgeoned with that one. Where are the hammers? I did say ALMOST, BTW. The NFL is the gold standard for successful sports leagues.

PortCityFan
Louisiana
Post #14
Thursday January 1, 2015 6:13pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 204
My take is that a league grows by the wealth that it has.
Monetarily, the league grows stronger with every media deal and CBA it signs. This allows for higher average salary, better stadiums, surfaces, infrastructure. With more money, Our academy programs are blossoming and beginning to export players. Everything monetary is cyclical as long as it is done consistantly the correct way. One bad move can set you back 5 years. On that MLS has taken the right approach.
Numerically, the numbers game can be more tricky. As large of a country as we have the talent pool CAN BE very large if tapped into the correct way. In the beginning years I do not feel it was done the right way. In comes Gulati and Garber and we've seen more of a connection between, whether it's good or bad, all parts of the U.S. soccer pyramid. Expansion means more coverage and more opportunity, but a more diluted player pool. I believe this gap will close with the more network coverage allows for better player development.
These are two big boxes that I feel mls has done a good job of checking

blaise213
Post #15
Friday January 2, 2015 1:11am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 2,924
I agree with what you said but I think MLS would benefit greatly with an added DP slot for American players especially following the WC year. With a new CBA agreement, Financially it makes sense to add the American DP slot for the 2015 season.

Check the What ifs:

NYCFC: Villa, Lampard, Drogba, Altidore

Orlando City: Kaka, Robinho, Rochez, Agudelo

LA Galaxy: Keane, Sneijder, Gerrard, Kljestan

Toronto: Gilberto, Defoe, +DP, Bradley

NY Red Bulls: Phillips, Cahill, +DP, Diskerud

Seattle Sounders: Martins, +DP, +DP, Dempsey, Alonso

SKC: 2 DP slots open up

NE Revs: Jones DP slot opens up

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