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Tiger
Post #16
Monday September 1, 2014 11:45pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Chicharito is clearly not a RM caliber performer, especially not over the past several years.

It gives every appearance of being a calculated marketing move by RM, as a previous commenter here also noted, as RM looks to expand its corporate footprint and brand into the Americas.

For many years, it has long been, and still is, a common European presumption, if not misperception, that individual American players are not up to the mark and standards expected in Europe.

The strong showings and solid results that American teams have frequently obtained in international competitions are chalked up to being because successful American teams are presumed to be a case of the total being greater than the sum of the parts, and hence American teams are often able to punch above their weight.

At some point in time, an individual American out field player(s) will break down these barriers, and the resistance will begin to diminish for American players in Europe.

It needs to be someone born, bred, and produced in and by the US system in order to change international attitudes and beliefs.

admsghs27
Post #17
Monday September 1, 2014 11:52pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
I would rather have them in mls than in Real Madrid. Our #1 goal is to keep growing our league, I said before and will always say it I Support MLS more than any other league in the world. We dont need to have a team that play on power clubs worldwide to be good. USA vs Portugal good example we dominated with many mls players vs a team stacked with players that play in big euro leagues, clubs.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #18
Tuesday September 2, 2014 12:03am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 2,977
Thats true but you still want players fighting in Europe's top leagues. MLS is growing regardless. These American kids in big European academies is a real nice step.

Having a good mix of MLS and Europe is crucial. We do not want to be England.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #19
Tuesday September 2, 2014 1:47am

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 862
Original post from Tiger

Chicharito is clearly not a RM caliber performer, especially not over the past several years.

It gives every appearance of being a calculated marketing move by RM, as a previous commenter here also noted, as RM looks to expand its corporate footprint and brand into the Americas.

For many years, it has long been, and still is, a common European presumption, if not misperception, that individual American players are not up to the mark and standards expected in Europe.

The strong showings and solid results that American teams have frequently obtained in international competitions are chalked up to being because successful American teams are presumed to be a case of the total being greater than the sum of the parts, and hence American teams are often able to punch above their weight.

At some point in time, an individual American out field player(s) will break down these barriers, and the resistance will begin to diminish for American players in Europe.

It needs to be someone born, bred, and produced in and by the US system in order to change international attitudes and beliefs.


Part of the problem is our own fault. US players being absurdly unsuccessful in Europe isn't helping. Any of our players can go play at Fulham (Mcbride, Dempsey) and be successful. And I'm all for that.

But Donovan failing in Germany, Jozy literally being the more unproductive striker in the EPL, Dempsey giving up after 1 year at Tott, Bradley unable to break through to regular minutes at Roma and giving up, Shea, Edu, Adu, and the list goes on.

More American players fail than succeed when they go over to Europe so that has to change first. But if we have a World Cup team full of players from Fulham, Stoke, Villa, teams like that, then I think we will be in pretty good shape.
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dunlopp9987
Post #20
Tuesday September 2, 2014 2:02am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,629
Original post from snipes87

Part of the problem is our own fault. US players being absurdly unsuccessful in Europe isn't helping. Any of our players can go play at Fulham (Mcbride, Dempsey) and be successful. And I'm all for that.

But Donovan failing in Germany, Jozy literally being the more unproductive striker in the EPL, Dempsey giving up after 1 year at Tott, Bradley unable to break through to regular minutes at Roma and giving up, Shea, Edu, Adu, and the list goes on.

More American players fail than succeed when they go over to Europe so that has to change first. But if we have a World Cup team full of players from Fulham, Stoke, Villa, teams like that, then I think we will be in pretty good shape.


This.

Sure Chicharito has struggled recently for United, but he still scored over 20 goals in his first season at United. Until we see an American play that well at a club that big, Americans are going to continue to be undervalued. I'm not just saying this because I'm an Evertonian, but Tim Howard has been the most successful American in Europe. Maybe Kasey Keller. But these two have played on some decent-sized clubs, and done well.

But again, until we see an American succeed over the course of multiple years at one of Europe's biggest clubs, Americans will continue to be undervalued.
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unitedfc6
Post #21
Tuesday September 2, 2014 3:31am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 108
I think Atletico Madrid's move of bringing in Raul Jimenez is a much worse move than Real bringing in Chicharito. Raul wasn't exactly lighting up Liga Mx before the move and only has 4 goals in 26 caps for el tri and yet Atletico Madrid who is on a limited budget feels the need to pay 10.5 million euros for him. Real Madrid is basically bringing in Chicharito for free with nothing to lose. If he regains the form he had when he first came to Manchester that would be fantastic business for Real.

admsghs27
Post #22
Tuesday September 2, 2014 4:07am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Aron johansson can easily score 20 plus goals with Man U when they were that good at the time heck Wondolowski would of gotten more goals he is a better poacher than chicharito

dunlopp9987
Post #23
Tuesday September 2, 2014 5:02am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,629
Original post from admsghs27

Aron johansson can easily score 20 plus goals with Man U when they were that good at the time heck Wondolowski would of gotten more goals he is a better poacher than chicharito


Then why has Wondo been in MLS his entire career and never had interest from European clubs? We get it, you love MLS. But please....Stop. Talking. Nonsense.
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fccl
Post #24
Tuesday September 2, 2014 5:26am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 11
Original post from unitedfc6

I think Atletico Madrid's move of bringing in Raul Jimenez is a much worse move than Real bringing in Chicharito. Raul wasn't exactly lighting up Liga Mx before the move and only has 4 goals in 26 caps for el tri and yet Atletico Madrid who is on a limited budget feels the need to pay 10.5 million euros for him. Real Madrid is basically bringing in Chicharito for free with nothing to lose. If he regains the form he had when he first came to Manchester that would be fantastic business for Real.

Atletico doesn't have a limited budget anymore, they have made so much money with sales, the CL and sponsors that they can afford to do all these signings.

admsghs27
Post #25
Tuesday September 2, 2014 6:02am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from dunlopp9987

Then why has Wondo been in MLS his entire career and never had interest from European clubs? We get it, you love MLS. But please....Stop. Talking. Nonsense.


Because euro teams are bias towards American players, plain and simple. If you think chicharito is good enough for real Madrid your an idiot!! I could name hundreds of players in Europe better than him including young spaniard players. He hasn't done anything in the last few years and you think he was good enough to sign for Madrid jeez not even jimenez, is all businness that's why Mexico had to qualify to the WC if not FIFA would of lost Billions!!!

Live490
Texas
Post #26
Tuesday September 2, 2014 6:18am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,131
Jimenez is actually really good, better than Chicharron. The only player that could have started for a big club was probably LD. But he will score min 10 goals at real because he will have great service and everyone will have their hands busy with cr7 and co. I wonder if Altidore would score as many in a big club with that type of service. McBride would have. Dempsey would probably too.

dunlopp9987
Post #27
Tuesday September 2, 2014 6:31am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,629
Original post from admsghs27

Because euro teams are bias towards American players, plain and simple. If you think chicharito is good enough for real Madrid your an idiot!! I could name hundreds of players in Europe better than him including young spaniard players. He hasn't done anything in the last few years and you think he was good enough to sign for Madrid jeez not even jimenez, is all businness that's why Mexico had to qualify to the WC if not FIFA would of lost Billions!!!


Find me a quote where I said Javier Hernandez is good enough for Madrid. Do it. I dare you.
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chillguy1992
Post #28
Tuesday September 2, 2014 7:41am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
People forget Mexico has produced elite talent that played for the biggest of big clubs. Hugo Sanchez scored a ton of goals for real madrid. Rafa Marquez was a very good centerback for barcelona. Top level soccer clubs remember that hence why the dos santos brothers both played for barcelona. Its the reason why diego reyes has been picked by porto. Reputation is everything and thats one advantage mexico has over the us and probably will for a while. Although good thing is our youth talent is getting poached up by a bunch of different european clubs plus young german americans so development wise our future looks the best it ever has.

But a lot of mexico players wanted in europe have usually stayed in mexico. Family is very important in mexican culture plus belief in their league and good salary all are enticing to stay in mexico. This is why players from mexico if they decide to leave for europe have better choices to choose from then players from mls. Although they usually stay in mexico and the mls players try to move to europe. Only recently it seems top mls players are staying longer and longer in mls then before. Chichirato is not real madrid quality, but he is paid to score goals. Im sure he will do that since there will be many chances to score at real madrid.

admsghs27
Post #29
Tuesday September 2, 2014 8:33am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from dunlopp9987

This.

Sure Chicharito has struggled recently for United, but he still scored over 20 goals in his first season at United. Until we see an American play that well at a club that big, Americans are going to continue to be undervalued. I'm not just saying this because I'm an Evertonian, but Tim Howard has been the most successful American in Europe. Maybe Kasey Keller. But these two have played on some decent-sized clubs, and done well.

But again, until we see an American succeed over the course of multiple years at one of Europe's biggest clubs, Americans will continue to be undervalued.


well there's your quote you dared me. Til we see an american score 20 plus goals in a big club in Europe he will be recognize. Sure chicharito got a chance. Has a USA foward or attacking player ever gotten a chance for a big Euro club lately ?? NO!! They know they will make 10xs more $$ with a Mexican player than an American player on the global stage. So yea your saying chicharito is good enough cause he got a 20 goal season.

MSantoine
Post #30
Tuesday September 2, 2014 11:36am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
I'm sure when real has weeks with a UCL game and are playing one of the 10-12 pathetic la liga teams that they beat 7-0 chi chariot will score a goal or two and will probably end up with something like 8 goals in 13 games but 0 against the 5-6 other good/decent clubs.

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