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admsghs27
Post #31
Wednesday November 5, 2014 10:42pm

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Original post from dunlopp9987

Assuming you meant playing in a European competition. Because the phrase "the best player we have in Europe" alludes to him playing in Europe in general.

Also, he's not playing "game in and game out." Yesterday was his first start in the CL this year. Came on as a sub in the first group match, and then didn't appear in either of the next two.

Soooo....


When I said he is not our best player I meant in our player pool. But for an American pmaying in top euro and club competition he is the best we have at the moment in europe. Because I can name several American players playing in MLS that are better than klesjtan.

dunlopp9987
Post #32
Wednesday November 5, 2014 10:44pm

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Also, he's only started one of 14 league games this year.

Soooo...
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admsghs27
Post #33
Wednesday November 5, 2014 10:47pm

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I said it before and I will say it again the EPL is Overrated Overrated Overrated!!!

dunlopp9987
Post #34
Wednesday November 5, 2014 10:47pm

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Original post from admsghs27

When I said he is not our best player I meant in our player pool. But for an American pmaying in top euro and club competition he is the best we have at the moment in europe. Because I can name several American players playing in MLS that are better than klesjtan.


No....no he's not. He has started 2 of 18 matches this year. He just happens to play on a team in the CL. He might be the only player we have thats "playing" in the CL, but he's not the best player we have in Europe. By a long shot. What about Tim Howard, who is playing in a European competiton? You want to tell me Sacha is a better player than Tim Howard?

I'm really hoping you try and defend yourself on this one.
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dunlopp9987
Post #35
Wednesday November 5, 2014 10:47pm

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Original post from admsghs27

I said it before and I will say it again the EPL is Overrated Overrated Overrated!!!


Nice change of subject.
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admsghs27
Post #36
Wednesday November 5, 2014 10:53pm

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Original post from dunlopp9987

Also, he's only started one of 14 league games this year.

Soooo...


So what have all the other American players done in europe lately ??? Been injured, play as subs, get a random start here and there, don't make the 18, can't make it for a club even on trial.. Also returned from europe to MLS because they knew they weren't gonna see much playing time.

Soooo...

dunlopp9987
Post #37
Wednesday November 5, 2014 11:02pm

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Original post from admsghs27

So what have all the other American players done in europe lately ??? Been injured, play as subs, get a random start here and there, don't make the 18, can't make it for a club even on trial.. Also returned from europe to MLS because they knew they weren't gonna see much playing time.

Soooo...


Cameron was widely praised for his performance against West Ham last weekend, and has started more league matches than Sacha. Rubio Rubin is tied for 3rd in the Eredivisie in assists. Tim Howard is still minding the nets as Everton's #1, and Guzan is doing the same at Villa.

I would just like to see you, FOR ONCE, admit you might be wrong on something. You seem incapable of doing so.
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admsghs27
Post #38
Wednesday November 5, 2014 11:13pm

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Those guys just started playing. Cameron wasn't even making the 18 for a while. The only one I give you is howard, but we are talking about field players. And utrecht is not close the team anderlecht is.

dunlopp9987
Post #39
Wednesday November 5, 2014 11:32pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Those guys just started playing. Cameron wasn't even making the 18 for a while. The only one I give you is howard, but we are talking about field players. And utrecht is not close the team anderlecht is.


Sacha's only two starts (out of 18 games this season) have been in the last week. So one would assume he would fit into your category of "just started playing"? And Rubio has been playing all season.

And I love how you change the parameters of your argument to now only including field players. Why didn't you say that before?

And Utretcht plays in a better league than Anderlecht.

Care to keep going with this nonsense you're keeping up?
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admsghs27
Post #40
Wednesday November 5, 2014 11:36pm

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Rubin has not played every game this year. And klesjtan is pretty much a veteran for his club already. If he makes Champs league next year and plays then tell me otherwise the same goes for Cameron and other players.

dunlopp9987
Post #41
Wednesday November 5, 2014 11:38pm

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I give up.
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Chrisou101
Post #42
Wednesday November 5, 2014 11:53pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Those guys just started playing. Cameron wasn't even making the 18 for a while. The only one I give you is howard, but we are talking about field players. And utrecht is not close the team anderlecht is.


Utrecht is not close to Anderlecht, maybe, but may I remind you that the dutch league is a higher level than the Belgian league. Competitions are harder in the eredivisie while in Belgium its just R.S.C and Standard. Sacha only made TWO starts during this season all comps, while Rubin has started and played more games than Sk. Rubin is also tied 3rd for assists.

Cameron was injured, if he'd been healthy he would've started every game, and now he's starting and playing day in day out in arguably the best league in the world. You need to face reality, the Premeire league is the best league or one of the best it's not over rated. Unlike leagues like the Bundesliga and la liga, etc the premeire league just doesn't have many domestic players. Your hatred against England(I hate them too) has blinded you from seeing that the premeire league is one of the best leagues.

Last but not least, even if SK is playing day in day out what does he offer? Sure stats show he assists and scores sometimes but if you actually see him play he's nothing more than a touch-touch pass player. He doesn't take on players, doesn't look for attack set up passes, he's average in defending, his movement is stiff, and always passes side or backwards. He's an average player at best.

dunlopp9987
Post #43
Wednesday November 5, 2014 11:57pm

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Original post from Chrisou101

Utrecht is not close to Anderlecht, maybe, but may I remind you that the dutch league is a higher level than the Belgian league. Competitions are harder in the eredivisie while in Belgium its just R.S.C and Standard. Sacha only made TWO starts during this season all comps, while Rubin has started and played more games than Sk. Rubin is also tied 3rd for assists.

Cameron was injured, if he'd been healthy he would've started every game, and now he's starting and playing day in day out in arguably the best league in the world. You need to face reality, the Premeire league is the best league or one of the best it's not over rated. Unlike leagues like the Bundesliga and la liga, etc the premeire league just doesn't have many domestic players. Your hatred against England(I hate them too) has blinded you from seeing that the premeire league is one of the best leagues.

Last but not least, even if SK is playing day in day out what does he offer? Sure stats show he assists and scores sometimes but if you actually see him play he's nothing more than a touch-touch pass player. He doesn't take on players, doesn't look for attack set up passes, he's average in defending, his movement is stiff, and always passes side or backwards. He's an average player at best.


You're doing two very dangerous things here. The first is trying to use logic with admsghs27. It won't work. The second is talking down Sacha, because you're just asking for Rain to come back.
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Chrisou101
Post #44
Thursday November 6, 2014 12:03am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from dunlopp9987

You're doing two very dangerous things here. The first is trying to use logic with admsghs27. It won't work. The second is talking down Sacha, because you're just asking for Rain to come back.
Relax dunlopp, I have a healthy relation with admsghs27. If im debating against him I will only attack his arguments, after all this is a debate site. Im curious to see what rain has to say..... which should be obvious by now that he only rants out anti-JK stuff and pro SK nonsense.

admsghs27
Post #45
Thursday November 6, 2014 1:06am

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I agree with Chrisou101, I'm not saying Klesjtan is better than rubin or many other Americans playing I. Europe, the point of the discussion was that he is the top American playing at the highest level in Europe at the moment, but then dunlopp came along and started throwing his tantrums on why he is the best and what not and giving stats of other players when he clearly did not understand what was meant from me.

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