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Lilshmike
Post #901
Friday December 21, 2018 9:44pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from dolcem

Anyone watching the Dortmund game at the moment? I tuned in for the last ten minutes of the first half and I saw Sancho make two plays that were much better than anything Pulisic has done all year for Dortmund. He's just a different class than Christian.
Yes, and yes. Sancho is better...

USMNT fans are awaiting a Messi-like savior and hoping that Pulisic is it. Pulisic is good, but hes average European top flight good. Which is good, don't get me wrong, but its nothing world class (at least not yet). He definitely has potential, but right now I think he is below the level that many US fans think he is...

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #902
Saturday December 22, 2018 5:10am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,357
I don't know if a team is willing to fork up that type of money for Pulisic right now.

cleancutimage
Post #903
Saturday December 22, 2018 7:21am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 1,306
I know a big deal was made about is he better on the right or left and he has been played out of position on the right, opening an opportunity for Sancho. But I just feel like he started to believe in the hype train we placed on him too much and stop being hungry. This kid was one of the best young players in the world and now he looks like he has no business being on a top club in Europe.

I don't know if he needs to train harder but he definitely has to show some fire and make the most of his opportunities when given them. Otherwise, I see a lot of DNP in his future this season.

dunlopp9987
Post #904
Saturday December 22, 2018 5:12pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 2,642
I'm really not looking forward to his obvious upcoming move to a big English club. I have no issue with him moving to an English club, it should just absolutely not be to a Chelsea, Liverpool, United, etc. He honestly needs to move to a club that is lower on the totem pole than Dortmund.
COYB!!
hamsamwich
Post #905
Saturday December 22, 2018 7:22pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Lots of advice given to this kid recently... from his camp about not playing in meaningless friendlies, to where he should move, his playing time etc...

How about celebrating the fact he's at the top club in one of the best leagues. And he plays - a lot. Any other time in our history we would be all about it, but now people want to worry. Let him fight thru his low point. Staying at Dortmund gives him the best chance to win something this year. And play a major part in doing that. Enjoy his rise and don't worry about the stumbles along the way. Just let him play he hasn't gotten to the point where he has to move yet.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #906
Saturday December 22, 2018 7:47pm

Joined Jul 2012
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I have always felt he is better suited at LW than at RW.

BG6
Post #907
Saturday December 22, 2018 11:28pm

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 85
Original post from hamsamwich

Lots of advice given to this kid recently... from his camp about not playing in meaningless friendlies, to where he should move, his playing time etc...

How about celebrating the fact he's at the top club in one of the best leagues. And he plays - a lot. Any other time in our history we would be all about it, but now people want to worry. Let him fight thru his low point. Staying at Dortmund gives him the best chance to win something this year. And play a major part in doing that. Enjoy his rise and don't worry about the stumbles along the way. Just let him play he hasn't gotten to the point where he has to move yet.


This is one of the best most rational things I've seen written here in weeks. Thank you. Before we question his heart/commitment or annoint him amd ask him to be the great next coming, let's just watch him play and develop. Every player in their career will have ups and downs. Maybe his initial couple years where and up and this is his level maybe this is a down.

Agree wholeheartedly there is no need to leave just because playing time is hard to come by and you are in a down period. Dortmund have world class players he is competing with and learning from. Not sure Reus is this guy or not but who could possibly teach Pulis it more about competing and fighting through adversity than a guy with his talent and his injury history? Who else could help keep him grounded as a hyped young player to make sure he doesn't make the same mistakes.

I know many here want him to move either for more playing time or just to a league many find more accesssible. He is in a good place in Bundesliga and a great place in Dortmund.

A bit of pontificating, we are in an era of instant gratification and self entitlement in society and sport. When the going gets hard, it's time to move on. Pulisic will be better by persevering (even if he fails) then if he quits and moves on already because it's a rough patch.

Just my two cents.

hamsamwich
Post #908
Monday December 24, 2018 3:09pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,143
Pulisic has a great champions league knockout round (vs Spurs I believe) and Dortmund are still clear at the top. Give him the winter break to get over his nagging injuries, and to clear his head of all the talk (sometimes there can be too much going on off the field to be productive on it). Who wouldn't want to be wanted by the likes of Chelsea, Bayern, Liverpool or Atleti?? But the here and now is where Pulisic is. When he comes out of this funk and earns his minutes everyone will be quick to pat him on the back. Competing at Dortmund is his job, the fans there love him. A move right now when he hasn't quite earned it- for me would be a setback. Make Dortmund have to up their contract or sell even higher.... that's what a true professional does in this situation. I back pulisic to figure it out.

The good part is that while he is stagnating a bit we have Sargent and Adams ready to take off and release some of the pressure on Pulisic as the young Anerican (Adams and Sargent being special cases as they are the best developed Americans that were completely developed in the USA. McKennie lived as a kid in Germany. But Sargent and Adams are 100% USDA American grass fed soccer players...)

Pulisic carrying the flag is too much for him. He's a player, a playmaker. But he's not Adams or McKennie in terms of leadership and I hope Berhalter recognizes that and pulls back a little on the responsibility within the team that Pulisic is given.

db707
Post #909
Saturday December 29, 2018 5:06pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
Reports this morning that Pulisic has agreed personal terms with Chelsea for a summer transfer.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #910
Saturday December 29, 2018 6:15pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,357
Nothing solid yet. Dortmund still waiting to see if any rival bids come in. But it seems Chelsea are in pole position.

Know Nothing
Post #911
Saturday December 29, 2018 7:32pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,617
Original post from 2tone

Nothing solid yet. Dortmund still waiting to see if any rival bids come in. But it seems Chelsea are in pole position.


Nothing solid indeed. The Sun is reporting Liverpool are about to beat Arsenal for his signature. It is just press speculation and agents doing their job trying to get the best price.

Agreeing terms is only a small indicator. If a club agrees to let another club talk to you, you can agree terms. It does not mean the clubs have agreed on a transfer fee. Pulisic could have terms agreed with multiple teams contingent upon Dortmund agreeing a transfer fee. If true, however, it means Dortmund are willing to sell him.

There was other news today that could point in Chelsea's direction. Bayern Munich and Dortmund both have allegedly inquired about Chelsea youngster Callum Hudson-Odoi. Hudson-Odoi could be used as a make weight in a Pulisic deal, and I suspect both clubs might want to include right of first refusal clauses to a deal should they want to sell either player.

db707
Post #912
Wednesday January 2, 2019 12:53pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 959
It's official, Pulisic to Chelsea, loaned back to Dortmund until the summer.

Lilshmike
Post #913
Wednesday January 2, 2019 2:45pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,178
Original post from db707

It's official, Pulisic to Chelsea, loaned back to Dortmund until the summer.
This could either be a great move for him, or a disaster. I don't really see any in-between.

Know Nothing
Post #914
Wednesday January 2, 2019 5:41pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,617
Well according to the Chelsea website he signed a 5.5 year deal (terms not disclosed but presumably neighborhood of 50,000 to 75,000 pounds a week).

Chelsea face the possibility of a transfer ban and needed to do this quickly so they overpayed with the hopes he will be big business for them in US market. I dare say they will recoup their money.

In the short term right now, he will get same mentoring and feedback Miazga got while he was on loan. The bad thing is both Chelsea and Dortmund will critique his performances and may differ in approach and mixed messages may get in the way.

I see this as the end of Pedro at Chelsea as Pulisic plays a very similar game to him. CP will probably get eased in slowly with CL/UL matches and sub appearances.

There is middle ground to be had as far as success or failure goes. Chelsea still need a striker and will probably buy one. That player will be under the microcope more than CP, so he presumably will not be the main focus.

cudevil
Post #915
Wednesday January 2, 2019 6:24pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 933
How much the microscope gets focused on Pulisic will also be determined by whether Hazard leaves in the near future. If both Hazard and Pedro are gone, not sure there will be much easing in for CP.

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