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Post #826
Wednesday February 21, 2018 3:57pm

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Original post from Dave

BvB is very good at finding young talent at reasonable prices, advancing them, and then selling them on.


Exactly. The quoted price in the Daily Mail today was 88 million pounds.

Know Nothing
Post #827
Wednesday February 21, 2018 4:01pm

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Original post from chris_thebassplayer

I hope he never plays in England...just bad juju...some idiot would line him up and that would be the end of his promising career. I don't think I could handle that...

I hope he stays at Dortmund for a few years. If he eventually moves, I'd like to see him go to Italy or Spain...maybe a team like Athleti...

Stay the f**k out of England...


And further to my previous post...he is going to get that kind of treatment in CONCACAF anyway, so why not go to a league where he can get used to it and adapt to it.

munns5986
Post #828
Wednesday February 21, 2018 7:34pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

And further to my previous post...he is going to get that kind of treatment in CONCACAF anyway, so why not go to a league where he can get used to it and adapt to it.


The Premier League is the last place I want to see him go. Every club is always in turmoil due to the money associated. More than 1 subpar game and he is benched to no longer see the field. If he is to leave Germany he should go to Spain to some where like Atletico Madrid.

Know Nothing
Post #829
Wednesday February 21, 2018 8:38pm

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Original post from munns5986

The Premier League is the last place I want to see him go. Every club is always in turmoil due to the money associated. More than 1 subpar game and he is benched to no longer see the field. If he is to leave Germany he should go to Spain to some where like Atletico Madrid.


Baloney. The money that would have to be spent to acquire Pulisic would be substantial. The manager would have to answer to the board why such a valuable asset isn't playing.

And even if your argument is true, he would not be allowed to coast or get complacent. Fighting for your place makes you sharp. Just look back at our failed WC campaign...we had too many players that were comfortable coasting that assumed they could pick it up when it mattered. We see where that got us.

munns5986
Post #830
Thursday February 22, 2018 9:25pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from Know Nothing

Baloney. The money that would have to be spent to acquire Pulisic would be substantial. The manager would have to answer to the board why such a valuable asset isn't playing.

And even if your argument is true, he would not be allowed to coast or get complacent. Fighting for your place makes you sharp. Just look back at our failed WC campaign...we had too many players that were comfortable coasting that assumed they could pick it up when it mattered. We see where that got us.


And the Premier League isn't the only place that could push him. There was talk of Chelsea wanting to off load Hazard when he had his dip in form. You really think they wouldn't do the same to Pulisic?

Know Nothing
Post #831
Thursday February 22, 2018 10:45pm

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Original post from munns5986

And the Premier League isn't the only place that could push him. There was talk of Chelsea wanting to off load Hazard when he had his dip in form. You really think they wouldn't do the same to Pulisic?


Sure, if they could make a profit.

And yes, he could be pressed by other leagues as well. Thing is, though, that for the money being talked about the only teams that could afford him without selling an asset would be Bayern, the PL Elite, Real, Barca, Milan, Juve, and PSG. Real, Barca, and PSG are into the real big names so it is unlikely he goes there. I am not sure Milan could fork up that kind of money for one player right now. Would Dortmund sell to Bayern?

If Atletico sell Greizman I could see them being interested in Pulisic as a replacement and that may be a good fit.

I am not advocating that Pulisic move, I am just defending the PL. Pulisic coming in as a high profile transfer would not be the same as a youth player coming up through the ranks. He would play and be given opportunities. It would be up to his form as to how long he plays...as it should be everywhere.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #832
Friday February 23, 2018 6:32am

Joined May 2013
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Original post from Know Nothing

And further to my previous post...he is going to get that kind of treatment in CONCACAF anyway, so why not go to a league where he can get used to it and adapt to it.


There's a big difference, Imo, in concacrap games he'll catch a lot of dirty little cheap shots, elbows, heel rakes, tons of grabbing...basically everything to agitate a player to make them lose focus and possibly retaliate. It's a non-stop smothering blanket of bullshit.

In the EPL some fringe roster defender will think its cool to make a name for himself as a hard man...by sending a message via a ridiculous hard challenge to set the tone. Those idiots take great pleasure in lining guys up...the pace of play is so fast and the players are so conditioned to fly into tackles...so many more cringe worthy trian wreck tackles in the EPL. Stuff you just don't see as often in the other leagues.

That exact situation ruined Pelosi, who at the time was on the path to being a blue chip lock for the nats. Same situation ended Stu's career. I don't want to see it happen to Pulisic. He can have a great career without ever going to EPL. Stay in the Bund, or go to Italy or Spain.

Know Nothing
Post #833
Friday February 23, 2018 5:24pm

Joined Jan 2013
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and yet these tackles happen everywhere, not just in England. There is a pretty graphic youtube video of a tackle on Ewald Lienen a few years ago during a Bundesliga match

hamsamwich
Post #834
Friday February 23, 2018 6:39pm

Joined Oct 2013
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I'd say that with his talent he likely to be on a team that has a lot of possession and he will have a chance to show what he can do.

Pulisic gets fouled in Germany, concacaf, champions league, Europa or wherever he plays because of his aggressive style and that won't change. A move to England would be more of the same. And what if Manchester city were interested would that change things or does it have to be a lower team like Liverpool? Also, Dortmund sell to Bayern that's not an issue. A big club is the future and it's great. He will always have top competition for his spot and that will never change whether that's EPL, La Liga or in Germany.

chris_thebassplayer
San Jose
Post #835
Friday February 23, 2018 11:02pm

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Original post from Know Nothing

and yet these tackles happen everywhere, not just in England. There is a pretty graphic youtube video of a tackle on Ewald Lienen a few years ago during a Bundesliga match


Absolutely, they happen in every league in the world, but imo, there is a higher incident rate in the EPL for tackles causing severe injuries.

I don't have stats to back it up, just my impression.

dolcem
Post #836
Saturday February 24, 2018 1:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,786
Original post from chris_thebassplayer

Absolutely, they happen in every league in the world, but imo, there is a higher incident rate in the EPL for tackles causing severe injuries.

I don't have stats to back it up, just my impression.


I think it's most people's impression.

And it's more than just the tackles. English soccer is physical and brutish and very direct, giving players less creative freedom, and the pace of the game there means less time on the ball. Combine that with the fact that it's probably the most competitive league in the world and you're just setting up a young attacking midfielder for failure (and the psychological issues that come from failure after a big money transfer). Sure, the EPL is a great place to go once you're a well-established player, but for someone like Pulisic, he definitely should not go there for AT LEAST another 2 years or so, preferably more. Germany is perfect for him, as is Dortmund especially. I don't like Atletico Madrid's style so much for Pulisic because it's too defensive and physical and they don't use wingers. Valencia and Sevilla would be good destinations, too, but if he leaves Dortmund, he's making a mistake.

Pulisic apparently played really poorly on Thursday night at Atalanta. He has been in a slump for a while now. When in form, he's already better than any field player we've ever had, but we should temper our expectations a bit. While he's the first field player we've ever had with the potential to be truly world class, we have to remember that there are countless young, talented teenagers who start playing at top clubs and never turn out to much. It seems to be more and more common.
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yodaddy101
Post #837
Saturday February 24, 2018 11:00pm

Joined Aug 2013
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i think the expectations are starting to get to him like what happened with Adu. The United States media is cancer tbh.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #838
Saturday February 24, 2018 11:58pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Dortmund were poor all around. I don't think the expectations are high for him at all. He is still only 19.

yodaddy101
Post #839
Sunday February 25, 2018 12:21am

Joined Aug 2013
Total Posts: 157
Original post from 2tone

Dortmund were poor all around. I don't think the expectations are high for him at all. He is still only 19.


you misunderstood what i was saying, im saying your average american news station promotes him like he is messi, i think that is affecting his game.
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kernn63
Post #840
Wednesday February 28, 2018 3:00pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 298
I think it says a lot about how Pulisic is viewed by his coaches that he's played a ton even throughout what looks to be a post non-qualifying for WC hangover. But now that Reus is back, he's going to have his minutes cut back significantly unless he starts producing key passes and goals.

Not playing poorly per se, but not impacting the games in tangible ways enough.

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