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tylercocinas
Post #46
Wednesday August 6, 2014 3:05pm

Joined Aug 2012
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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Faulty logic? You didn't exactly stick to the original post in your CONCACAF history lesson. The point is they are closing the gap.

CR did outplay us in qualifying. They've handed us our jocks in the past 2-3 games in Costa Rica. They play us extremely well on our own soil just about every time out. I didn't say they're better than us overall, but they are without a doubt a force in this region. For you to say "there's nothing to see here" is silly. The overall record between us and CR is 13W, 13L, 5 draws.

I'm quick to criticize MLS becuase they market to the casual fan demographic, which is probably anywhere from 10-20% of the American soccer market. That's why they're worried about competing with the NFL, MLB, and NHL. I'm tired of them and their franchises shelling out ridiculous amounts of money for washed up, internationally retired players. That money should be going towards their academies. Granted he's on loan, but look at Juliao for SKC. Admittedly, he's the most technical player on the team. The 19 year old loves the stucture of SKC but is afraid he can't stay because he won't get paid enough to support his family. Meanwhile we're gonna pay Beasley $750,000 a year becuase he played decently in Brazil and they see a marketing opportunity. Beasley was more valuable as a player his first go around in MLS. He did OK in Europe. Bounced around a couple teams in Mexico and was without a club becuase nobody really wanted him back prior to the World Cup. Edu couldnt break Stoke City's 18, but hey let's pay him half a million. Dempsey and Bradley aren't even close to the value in which they're being paid. MLS is making money while losing more and more of the market. Attendance is decent, but the TV ratings are terrible. This league won't ever grow like they want it to until that changes. The MLS final last year lost out to an Everybody Loves Raymond rerun!

What's really ticking me off lately, besides Mark Abbott declaring pro/rel will never happen in the United States, is the NYC FC supporters group deciding they're going to "grow the game" in the city. Give me a f'n break. MLS y'all.

And what the hell is going on in the academies we do have? We know what Arena thinks about his own. It's really annoying that I want our youth players to get to Europe as soon as they possibly can.

Really, it just doesn't seem like anybody is in a hurry to get better.

As far as the national team goes, I'll keep my eye out on the European contingent. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Sorry for the rambling on...


I agree that Costa Rica is a good team. The challenges they face in continuing to improve their national/domestic football are not the same challenges we face here in the US. They will continue to improve and challenge the United States and Mexico. This is better for the long term health of soccer in CONCACAF and the United States because we need as much pressure as possible within our region. Panama and Honduras are not far behind either.

That being said, aging superstars will always be a part of MLS and any other league for that matter because they put asses in seats. I understand where you are coming from but as I continue to say, there is such a double standard here. Pirlo was a wizard, and an ageless wonder because he could still play in Serie A at damn near 40. However if he would've come to MLS it would've somehow been for "1 last payday" and people would use it to reinforce the idea that MLS is a "retirement league." Robbie Keane is like 33 or 34? Quite recently, he had Premier League clubs knocking on the door trying to get him to come back. Lampard could still be playing in the Premier League next season, and David Villa could still be playing in La Liga, but no one talks about that.

The bit about player salaries is a little ridiculous. Igor Juliao should be making more than $48,500, no doubt about it. But that goes to raising salaries league wide. If we had a $100,000 minimum salary, I personally believe this league would become a destination for young players around the world who were looking to get 90' on a regular basis and be in a professional environment. Why are you complaining about Beas making what he makes? He made at least that much in Mexico (PS: As for DMB doing "ok" in Europe, the man started a UCL semifinal. He did well for himself.) Edu bounced around but he still showed he was quality enough to be on the squad at Stoke, where he was paid close to, if not more than, $1 million/yr. to sit the bench. Dempsey's salary is in the same ballpark as it was a Tottenham. This is what professional soccer players make in the best leagues man. We need to pull the lower end of MLS' salary range higher not reduce salaries at the top. Why do you think Herculez Gomez hasn't come back to MLS? Aside from SKC owning his "rights," it's because he makes $500,000+ to play in Mexico.

Also, why are you listening to NYCFC supporters? Let them do whatever it is they think they're doing and we'll continue to go about our lives, business as usual.

MattYielding
Heber Springs, Arkansas
Post #47
Wednesday August 6, 2014 3:18pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 84
@richie I guess we will have to agree to disagree because I don't think Costa Rica played better than we did. Uruguay is terrible without Suarez and that's the Uruguay they got. We got Ghana. They put 10 players behind the ball and countered well. We came out swinging, until Jozy went down then had to put 10 behind the ball. They had one shot against Italy and it went in. Also, Italy had one of, if not the worst ever appearance at a World Cup this year. Their offense was nonexistent. We outplayed Portugal and were unlucky to tie. They drew with the all powerful England in a 0-0 tie. Did you see how boring that was? We played the World Cup champs and just plain got beat. (At least we looked better than Brazil and Portugal against them!) Costa Rica, then got Greece, who may be annoying, but are NOT a top 30 team. They parked the bus and somehow foiled the worst offensive team in Europe. Please don't cite that Macedonia or Moldova are worse. We got Belgium and got beat down. We deserved to lose, but if Wondo had scored from point blank, the performances were comparable. Costa Rica, then played as poorly as we did against the Dutch. They had no business going to extra time, much less a shootout. I think the fact that we were heartbroken by Portugal and then got handled in our last two games makes it seem like we were really bad, but you have to look at all of it in context. I respect your opinion, though.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #48
Wednesday August 6, 2014 4:08pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 276
Yeah, idk this cycle I think Costa Rica was better than us. We were legit dominated in 3 of our 4 WC matches. Regardless if Suarez played or not Costa Rica looked like they belonged in every game (and they made it that far without one of their best players). They spanked us during qualifying and the snow game doesn't count for anything. It shouldn't have been played. We only like it because of the result. I give Costa Rica their props. They deserved it this cycle. We'll see if they can sustain it.
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admsghs27
Post #49
Wednesday August 6, 2014 4:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,189
Original post from snipes87

Yeah, idk this cycle I think Costa Rica was better than us. We were legit dominated in 3 of our 4 WC matches. Regardless if Suarez played or not Costa Rica looked like they belonged in every game (and they made it that far without one of their best players). They spanked us during qualifying and the snow game doesn't count for anything. It shouldn't have been played. We only like it because of the result. I give Costa Rica their props. They deserved it this cycle. We'll see if they can sustain it.


Yea I agree Costa Rica was better than usa this past cycle, and also usa played against an injured ronaldo not fit vs Portugal and their 2 best defenders out, plus 1 of their fwds also was out, and we all know ronaldo is much more important to his team than suarez. And the snow game they had us on the ropes, if it would of been a regular chilly sunny day I think Ticos would of won here. But is just one cycle this cycle could be different a new team might step up.

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