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richieJkulesaNY
Post #31
Wednesday August 6, 2014 4:01am

Joined Jun 2012
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Original post from coverby

So they are better than us because we have an even record? LOL


I didn't say that. Without going back and reading, I'm more than certain NOBODY said that.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #32
Wednesday August 6, 2014 4:08am

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 933
Original post from MattYielding

I think it's a stretch to say that Costa Rica was better than us in qualifying, considering that we finished above them. I, also, would have liked the US chances of making a quarterfinal if we had gotten Greece in the last 16. Costa Rica had a good world cup, but to say it was better than the US world cup? How so? Our group was more difficult and our round of 16 opponent was more difficult. Greece was very unlucky not to win that game, and that's BEFORE the red card.


Because CR played better overall and advanced further. Our group was tougher, but not by much. They beat Uruguay(on South American soil) Italy, and had nothing to play for in a draw against England. Greece is the most annoying team on planet Earth, it's never easy getting past them. They took the game to each opponent.

On the other hand, we were outplayed handedly in 3 out of the 4 games. We gave up 90+ shots. THATS INSANE!

That's how CR had a better World Cup.

Live490
Texas
Post #33
Wednesday August 6, 2014 5:08am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 228
Plus they had a better coach. We had a great motivator

hamsamwich
Post #34
Wednesday August 6, 2014 5:26am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 461
The difference between Costa Rica and the U.S. is that they all know how to play soccer. Passing triangles help them to create space, and they move well without the ball. The Costa Rica way of playing to me is the same, and their integrated system (better than ours or Mexico) gets results considering the very few players they have. I didn't see Costa Rica going to Germany, Iceland or Norway to find half-Costa Ricans like we did. Until our youth kids actually play the same style as our pros and all know what they are doing, Costa Rica will continue to compete with us. I dont think that Costa Rica is better than USA, but they do better with what they have than the US does. You could say they maximize their talent whereas the US does not.

Jzaval01
Post #35
Wednesday August 6, 2014 5:52am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,436
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Faulty logic? You didn't exactly stick to the original post in your CONCACAF history lesson. The point is they are closing the gap.

CR did outplay us in qualifying. They've handed us our jocks in the past 2-3 games in Costa Rica. They play us extremely well on our own soil just about every time out. I didn't say they're better than us overall, but they are without a doubt a force in this region. For you to say "there's nothing to see here" is silly. The overall record between us and CR is 13W, 13L, 5 draws.

I'm quick to criticize MLS becuase they market to the casual fan demographic, which is probably anywhere from 10-20% of the American soccer market. That's why they're worried about competing with the NFL, MLB, and NHL. I'm tired of them and their franchises shelling out ridiculous amounts of money for washed up, internationally retired players. That money should be going towards their academies. Granted he's on loan, but look at Juliao for SKC. Admittedly, he's the most technical player on the team. The 19 year old loves the stucture of SKC but is afraid he can't stay because he won't get paid enough to support his family. Meanwhile we're gonna pay Beasley $750,000 a year becuase he played decently in Brazil and they see a marketing opportunity. Beasley was more valuable as a player his first go around in MLS. He did OK in Europe. Bounced around a couple teams in Mexico and was without a club becuase nobody really wanted him back prior to the World Cup. Edu couldnt break Stoke City's 18, but hey let's pay him half a million. Dempsey and Bradley aren't even close to the value in which they're being paid. MLS is making money while losing more and more of the market. Attendance is decent, but the TV ratings are terrible. This league won't ever grow like they want it to until that changes. The MLS final last year lost out to an Everybody Loves Raymond rerun!

What's really ticking me off lately, besides Mark Abbott declaring pro/rel will never happen in the United States, is the NYC FC supporters group deciding they're going to "grow the game" in the city. Give me a f'n break. MLS y'all.

And what the hell is going on in the academies we do have? We know what Arena thinks about his own. It's really annoying that I want our youth players to get to Europe as soon as they possibly can.

Really, it just doesn't seem like anybody is in a hurry to get better.

As far as the national team goes, I'll keep my eye out on the European contingent. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Sorry for the rambling on...


Makes alot of sense. Young Players like Juliao, Gil and other youngster should get paid in order to continue to grow the league. Not to mention we should be bringing more younger player from south america like Juliao instead of wasting the money on old Players. The amount of players in South America with talent but get paid little money is immense something Liga MX does. I think there should be a balance. You cant have a league full of kids but you cant have a league full of old players from Europe. How you balance it is the million dollar question.

Richie do you think RSL, Sporting KC are the ideal kind of mentality the league should follow? Especially RSL, they rely on their dammmm good academy and scouting system they dont have the money that Seattle or Toronto has so they work with what they have. Once they cant hold on to an older player they make the choice of selling them like Espindola, Olave etc etc and bring up the youngster who are established with the in place system. I wouldnt shocked if they sold Saborio soon so since they have money for Plata, Garcia two young talented south americans They have Gil who will prob replace Morales.

Yet the amount of money players will get will rise thanks to the new TV deal its just about how teams use them. I think Sporting will keep Juliao but the new TV deal will increase salary? hopefully?
Can you force MLS teams to focus on their academies and younger players if you eliminate one DP slot?

Question is if Real Salt Lake is what all MLS teams should aspire? I mean its also no shock RSL is the closest team to make it to CCL title only losing by a hair.

Dave
Post #36
Wednesday August 6, 2014 6:09am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 37
Original post from Jzaval01

Can you force MLS teams to focus on their academies and younger players if you eliminate one DP slot?.


The way to get more teams to carry young players from academies is to increase the roster size for each team, and require each team to carry and field "X" number of U-23's. Mexico's league did this something like 10 years ago. That rule change forced clubs to field young players for a set number of minutes each season. Giving young players minutes gives them experience.

With the upcoming CBA I hope that the salary cap increase will allow something like this to occur. It would allow teams to add depth which would help MLS teams compete better in multiple tournaments, while improving the experience of youth players and, over time lower the number of over-aged/over-paid DP's.

Jzaval01
Post #37
Wednesday August 6, 2014 6:27am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,436
Original post from Dave

The way to get more teams to carry young players from academies is to increase the roster size for each team, and require each team to carry and field "X" number of U-23's. Mexico's league did this something like 10 years ago. That rule change forced clubs to field young players for a set number of minutes each season. Giving young players minutes gives them experience.

With the upcoming CBA I hope that the salary cap increase will allow something like this to occur. It would allow teams to add depth which would help MLS teams compete better in multiple tournaments, while improving the experience of youth players and, over time lower the number of over-aged/over-paid DP's.


But again RSL does this and its because they have little resources in comparison to other MLS teams and they are always on top.
Just to be clear of any misconceptions im not an RSL fan but i have been impressed by their squad depth and how they can pull a random player out of nowhere and still get the result.

admsghs27
Post #38
Wednesday August 6, 2014 7:49am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,014
Their league is improving as well. Alajulense tied at Cruz Azul. Mls teams struggle to keep the score close and not get blown out let alone a tie.

MSantoine
Post #39
Wednesday August 6, 2014 11:40am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,117
I wonder if some of the reason young South American players dont look to MLS is due to the fact that MLS has been very difficult when it comes to transferring out players to european leagues. Look at some of the recent transfers that players have agreed to only for MLS to say no. I'm sure in reality its only 5-10% of transfer requests but they get all the publicity. If your a 21 year old Argentine your not going to risk coming to MLS on a 4 year deal or so because MLS doesnt want to be preceived as a feeder league so they'll block any realistic transfer only settling for an above asking offer.

I wish MLS would either institute sell clauses in their contracts like european players or privately let the other countries know what the buyout would be on players prior to negotiating to prevent some public backlash. MLS does not do a good job playing the media games at all.

Rey Regicide
Post #40
Wednesday August 6, 2014 12:27pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 236
Original post from 2tone

We have slammed Honduras in their house in the past quite a bit actually.

Tell me when was the last time Costa Rica won a Gold Cup? That would be 1989 when it was called the CONCACAF Championship. They have never won a Gold Cup. Costa Rica has only made it to one Gold Cup final since 1989. That was in 2002 when the US beat them 2-0.

Mexico and the US have combined for 11 Gold Cup trphies since 1991. The only other country to win a Gold Cup? Canada in 2000.

The US has 5 Gold Cup trophies.

The US has finished first in the HEX in the last 3 WC cycles; 2006, 2010, 2014.

Costa Rica finished first in the HEX in 2002.

The USMNT has winning records since 2000 against all Countries in CONCACAF. So please tell me again how the US is not the dominant team for the past decade and half in CONCACAF?


The lats gold cup we won that mattered we won on a hail mary shot by Benny Feilhaber and a penalty given to us. Not that we didn't earn it, we beat them. We've had a strong record, but to say we were dominant is downright delusional. The last two away games in Honduras, over 8 years has been a loss, and a 3 - 2 win that again came down to the wire. I'm sorry 2tone, I agree with your optimis about the United States, I love my country, I love my national team, I don't have this viewpoint of Costa Rica that Europeans have of us. That they are some underlings that are easily dispatched.

Rey Regicide
Post #41
Wednesday August 6, 2014 12:29pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 236
Original post from 2tone

Hmm. I can accept US criticism. What I don't accept is faulty logic just because Costa Rica made it to the Qf's.

Yes they had a good run. Good for them. I was happy to see them play well.

Did they outplay us in Qualifying? Maybe. But qualifying isn't about playing one team.

Why are you so quick to criticize everything about MLS and US soccer?


there is no criticism, just a refusal to accept the notion that we're dominant.

Rey Regicide
Post #42
Wednesday August 6, 2014 12:39pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 236
Original post from coverby

So they are better than us because we have an even record? LOL


Who is saying that they are the better talent?

The thread is, isn't it frustrating to see Costa Ricans evaluated by world class scouts, world class teams, and getting places in better teams than our national team members. The answer from my part is no, because those players are really good, and their football as a country is at the very least comparable to ours and Mexico.

Rey Regicide
Post #43
Wednesday August 6, 2014 12:39pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 236
Original post from hamsamwich

The difference between Costa Rica and the U.S. is that they all know how to play soccer. Passing triangles help them to create space, and they move well without the ball. The Costa Rica way of playing to me is the same, and their integrated system (better than ours or Mexico) gets results considering the very few players they have. I didn't see Costa Rica going to Germany, Iceland or Norway to find half-Costa Ricans like we did. Until our youth kids actually play the same style as our pros and all know what they are doing, Costa Rica will continue to compete with us. I dont think that Costa Rica is better than USA, but they do better with what they have than the US does. You could say they maximize their talent whereas the US does not.


100 hundred percent, and the funny part is, when we play against teams like Belgium (the third time around lol), the opposite happens, we do more with our talent than they do with theirs.

Rey Regicide
Post #44
Wednesday August 6, 2014 12:43pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 236
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Because CR played better overall and advanced further. Our group was tougher, but not by much. They beat Uruguay(on South American soil) Italy, and had nothing to play for in a draw against England. Greece is the most annoying team on planet Earth, it's never easy getting past them. They took the game to each opponent.

On the other hand, we were outplayed handedly in 3 out of the 4 games. We gave up 90+ shots. THATS INSANE!

That's how CR had a better World Cup.


I don't see how anyone can not look at this earnestly, and then not turn into a positive.

to quote someone on Carl Hubbel "WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT ALL SEASON(qualifying)!"

MSantoine
Post #45
Wednesday August 6, 2014 2:56pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,117
Original post from Rey Regicide

Who is saying that they are the better talent?

The thread is, isn't it frustrating to see Costa Ricans evaluated by world class scouts, world class teams, and getting places in better teams than our national team members. The answer from my part is no, because those players are really good, and their football as a country is at the very least comparable to ours and Mexico.


Exactly. MLS is without a doubt a better league than Costa Rican League. USA has a better US national team program than Costa Rica does. USA has a more talented team than Costa Rica does. Yet 2 Costa Ricans will play for top 10 teams in the world this year (arguably top 5) yet 0 americans in the history of US Soccer have done that. Now if Green stays with Bayern's 1st team this whole year and becomes a member of the gameday 18 then that'll be our first but its mind boggling how US cant send one guy to a top 10 club the last 2 decades yet CR has 2 there right now.

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