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Post #16
Tuesday August 5, 2014 11:06pm

Joined Sep 2013
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Original post from dunlopp9987

Agreed. I think they brought in Bardsley as cover. Geoff was tremendous last season.


Any word on whether he would play CDM on those clubs?

richieJkulesaNY
Post #17
Tuesday August 5, 2014 11:50pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 1,016
Original post from 2tone

Meh. The US and Mexico will continue to be the dominant forces in this region. Costa Rica had a good showing at the WC. Nothing to see here.


You just can't accept any kind of criticism when it comes to US soccer, can you?

Costa Rica outplayed us in qualifying and made a significantly more impressive run in the World Cup. If it wasn't for us, Mexico would of not even been in the World Cup. It's not hard to see that we aren't the only forces in this region.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #18
Tuesday August 5, 2014 11:59pm

Joined Jul 2012
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We have slammed Honduras in their house in the past quite a bit actually.

Tell me when was the last time Costa Rica won a Gold Cup? That would be 1989 when it was called the CONCACAF Championship. They have never won a Gold Cup. Costa Rica has only made it to one Gold Cup final since 1989. That was in 2002 when the US beat them 2-0.

Mexico and the US have combined for 11 Gold Cup trphies since 1991. The only other country to win a Gold Cup? Canada in 2000.

The US has 5 Gold Cup trophies.

The US has finished first in the HEX in the last 3 WC cycles; 2006, 2010, 2014.

Costa Rica finished first in the HEX in 2002.

The USMNT has winning records since 2000 against all Countries in CONCACAF. So please tell me again how the US is not the dominant team for the past decade and half in CONCACAF?

Jzaval01
Post #19
Wednesday August 6, 2014 12:13am

Joined May 2013
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I dont get it. Costa Rica was here before us. In fact they were the rivals of Mexico until we came. So Costa Rica has always been a force in Concacaf, what does them is their consistency. Mexico and the USA are always in the World Cup, always in the finals of Gold cups and have most gold cups among each other. Costa Rica failed to make it to 2010 and they have never won a gold cup. I mean even Canada won one. Its the same reason why MLS is behind Liga MX which is continental titles. There is no doubt after this world cup Costa Rica is a dangerous team but they are still behind Mexico and the USA until they can start putting the USA and Mexico 2nd and 3rd in Gold cups and world cup performances more consistently.
Gonna be hard without Pinto. But it will make it more interesting. Hopefully Honduras can step it up aas well

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #20
Wednesday August 6, 2014 1:33am

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

You just can't accept any kind of criticism when it comes to US soccer, can you?

Costa Rica outplayed us in qualifying and made a significantly more impressive run in the World Cup. If it wasn't for us, Mexico would of not even been in the World Cup. It's not hard to see that we aren't the only forces in this region.


Hmm. I can accept US criticism. What I don't accept is faulty logic just because Costa Rica made it to the Qf's.

Yes they had a good run. Good for them. I was happy to see them play well.

Did they outplay us in Qualifying? Maybe. But qualifying isn't about playing one team.

Why are you so quick to criticize everything about MLS and US soccer?

MSantoine
Post #21
Wednesday August 6, 2014 2:33am

Joined Nov 2012
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For the record I don't think Costa Rica is better than USA. Nor do I think one result in one tournement is more important then a decade of results. Just saying that Costa Rica will have players playing at arsenal and Real Madrid this year. The rest of the world likely rate nagas over Howard. Rest of the world would likely take Campbell over any us guy save maybe green.

Costa Rica shouldn't be sending players to better clubs then us.

blaise213
Post #22
Wednesday August 6, 2014 2:53am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 3,179
Costa Rica wont ever be outplaying us again with all these young attacking US players on the rise...

The Costa Rica game was the worst game for Klinsmann roster wise and he made the most bizarre substitutions.

Navas, dude is a clown, that guy had a good world cup but he still dives to time waste and rolls around on the ground like a %^&*(

Dave
Post #23
Wednesday August 6, 2014 3:20am

Joined Jul 2014
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While I was impressed with the Costa Rican performances in the World Cup I do think it's an exaggeration to state that CR is a better team than the US or Mexico. When you look at the top 30 player pool for each of the 3 teams you would see that Mexico tops the group with the US second, and CR third. What the coaches do with that talent has been the determining factor to who tops the Hex and/or the Gold Cup.
In 2012 Mexico was flying high...to the point that I believe they won all their matches leading into the Hex. In the 2013 Hex round Mexico couldn't get their act together or their ego's under control so they Came in 4th...but turned it around by the WC and performed well.
In 2012 US was struggling to find player combinations, formations, and a defense that could limit goals. By 2013 they were putting the pieces together and finished top of the Hex. In the WC had one of the hardest groups...but still made it out (ugly but effective).
CR was the most consistent of the 3 teams. Won their Pre-Hex group without much difficulty. played well through the Hex coming in second only to the US. Than performed above expectations in the WC.

Next years Gold Cup will be the telling tail of how these 3 teams stack up heading into the 2018 WC Cycle. The US team should be as good or better than it was in the 2013 Hex (More experience and less dead weight....Davis, Wondo, etc....). CR will be under new management....can they continue on as they were in the WC or will they take a step back? Mexico will be Mexico. IF they play to their abilities & strengths they are tough to beat. If their ego's get in the way or hit another rough patch....all bets are off.

Regardless it is a good thing that 3 teams from CONCACAF did well in the WC. All 3 teams start this 4 yr cycle with good world rankings. This along with the other potential tournaments (Copa America & Confed Cup) could help a CONCACAF team get a seed in 2018. I just hope it's the US.

Jzaval01
Post #24
Wednesday August 6, 2014 3:21am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
This is probably biased but the world still thinks Americans cant play the game so we are overlooked at least i still feel that way.
People outside the USA just realized how good Howard was and is when we have known that for years now.
Dempsey was never wanted in Spurs even though he gave them valuable goals in the big games.
Even though Zusi didnt look spectacular in the WC he got 2 assists and I didnt hear anything from Europe
Besler only got solid offers from Fulham and Sunderland
You Omar who shut down Klose and Brooks held his own as well and nothing there either. Although Brooks is good where is and another player like FJ locked his club situation down before world cup.
Only player thats getting offers is Yedlin who kept toe to toe with Hazard and attacked Belgium back line.
Correct me if im wrong in any of these. Alot also has to do with moving abroad and family and all that. But there can also be a factor of not having to pay Americans players a higher wage then they might deserve. Also playing time with influence that. But in order to be better you want to be fighting for your spot week in and out. So much things and funny enough you have AMerican player that are younger moving abroad like Junior flores, Gyau, Pulisic, etc etc

MattYielding
Heber Springs, Arkansas
Post #25
Wednesday August 6, 2014 3:24am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 101
I think it's a stretch to say that Costa Rica was better than us in qualifying, considering that we finished above them. I, also, would have liked the US chances of making a quarterfinal if we had gotten Greece in the last 16. Costa Rica had a good world cup, but to say it was better than the US world cup? How so? Our group was more difficult and our round of 16 opponent was more difficult. Greece was very unlucky not to win that game, and that's BEFORE the red card.

Jzaval01
Post #26
Wednesday August 6, 2014 3:27am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Original post from Dave

While I was impressed with the Costa Rican performances in the World Cup I do think it's an exaggeration to state that CR is a better team than the US or Mexico. When you look at the top 30 player pool for each of the 3 teams you would see that Mexico tops the group with the US second, and CR third. What the coaches do with that talent has been the determining factor to who tops the Hex and/or the Gold Cup.
In 2012 Mexico was flying high...to the point that I believe they won all their matches leading into the Hex. In the 2013 Hex round Mexico couldn't get their act together or their ego's under control so they Came in 4th...but turned it around by the WC and performed well.
In 2012 US was struggling to find player combinations, formations, and a defense that could limit goals. By 2013 they were putting the pieces together and finished top of the Hex. In the WC had one of the hardest groups...but still made it out (ugly but effective).
CR was the most consistent of the 3 teams. Won their Pre-Hex group without much difficulty. played well through the Hex coming in second only to the US. Than performed above expectations in the WC.

Next years Gold Cup will be the telling tail of how these 3 teams stack up heading into the 2018 WC Cycle. The US team should be as good or better than it was in the 2013 Hex (More experience and less dead weight....Davis, Wondo, etc....). CR will be under new management....can they continue on as they were in the WC or will they take a step back? Mexico will be Mexico. IF they play to their abilities & strengths they are tough to beat. If their ego's get in the way or hit another rough patch....all bets are off.

Regardless it is a good thing that 3 teams from CONCACAF did well in the WC. All 3 teams start this 4 yr cycle with good world rankings. This along with the other potential tournaments (Copa America & Confed Cup) could help a CONCACAF team get a seed in 2018. I just hope it's the US.


JK has to start integrating players like Gil, Trapp, kitchen Nagbe (when he is eligible) to be able to push the attack against tougher nations. These guys are our future and have the ability to be a much tougher midfield with Bradley since they grew up in a nation that had MLS unlike the MLS veterans like Beckerman who had to play college soccer.

coverby
Post #27
Wednesday August 6, 2014 3:44am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 501
Original post from Dave

CR was the most consistent of the 3 teams. Won their Pre-Hex group without much difficulty. played well through the Hex coming in second only to the US. Than performed above expectations in the WC.


This part you got wrong. They finished second to Mexico in the pre-Hex group 3-1-2. Twice losing to Mexico...With Mexico going 6-0-0. Besides the fact that CR has been knocked out in the quarters at the last two Gold Cups.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #28
Wednesday August 6, 2014 3:47am

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 1,016
Original post from 2tone

Hmm. I can accept US criticism. What I don't accept is faulty logic just because Costa Rica made it to the Qf's.

Yes they had a good run. Good for them. I was happy to see them play well.

Did they outplay us in Qualifying? Maybe. But qualifying isn't about playing one team.

Why are you so quick to criticize everything about MLS and US soccer?


Faulty logic? You didn't exactly stick to the original post in your CONCACAF history lesson. The point is they are closing the gap.

CR did outplay us in qualifying. They've handed us our jocks in the past 2-3 games in Costa Rica. They play us extremely well on our own soil just about every time out. I didn't say they're better than us overall, but they are without a doubt a force in this region. For you to say "there's nothing to see here" is silly. The overall record between us and CR is 13W, 13L, 5 draws.

I'm quick to criticize MLS becuase they market to the casual fan demographic, which is probably anywhere from 10-20% of the American soccer market. That's why they're worried about competing with the NFL, MLB, and NHL. I'm tired of them and their franchises shelling out ridiculous amounts of money for washed up, internationally retired players. That money should be going towards their academies. Granted he's on loan, but look at Juliao for SKC. Admittedly, he's the most technical player on the team. The 19 year old loves the stucture of SKC but is afraid he can't stay because he won't get paid enough to support his family. Meanwhile we're gonna pay Beasley $750,000 a year becuase he played decently in Brazil and they see a marketing opportunity. Beasley was more valuable as a player his first go around in MLS. He did OK in Europe. Bounced around a couple teams in Mexico and was without a club becuase nobody really wanted him back prior to the World Cup. Edu couldnt break Stoke City's 18, but hey let's pay him half a million. Dempsey and Bradley aren't even close to the value in which they're being paid. MLS is making money while losing more and more of the market. Attendance is decent, but the TV ratings are terrible. This league won't ever grow like they want it to until that changes. The MLS final last year lost out to an Everybody Loves Raymond rerun!

What's really ticking me off lately, besides Mark Abbott declaring pro/rel will never happen in the United States, is the NYC FC supporters group deciding they're going to "grow the game" in the city. Give me a f'n break. MLS y'all.

And what the hell is going on in the academies we do have? We know what Arena thinks about his own. It's really annoying that I want our youth players to get to Europe as soon as they possibly can.

Really, it just doesn't seem like anybody is in a hurry to get better.

As far as the national team goes, I'll keep my eye out on the European contingent. Sucks, but it is what it is.

Sorry for the rambling on...

coverby
Post #29
Wednesday August 6, 2014 3:53am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 501
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Faulty logic? You didn't exactly stick to the original post in your CONCACAF history lesson. The point is they are closing the gap.

CR did outplay us in qualifying. They've handed us our jocks in the past 2-3 games in Costa Rica. They play us extremely well on our own soil just about every time out. I didn't say they're better than us overall, but they are without a doubt a force in this region. For you to say "there's nothing to see here" is silly. The overall record between us and CR is 13W, 13L, 5 draws.



So they are better than us because we have an even record? LOL

richieJkulesaNY
Post #30
Wednesday August 6, 2014 3:56am

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 1,016
Original post from Dave

While I was impressed with the Costa Rican performances in the World Cup I do think it's an exaggeration to state that CR is a better team than the US or Mexico. When you look at the top 30 player pool for each of the 3 teams you would see that Mexico tops the group with the US second, and CR third.


Again, OP doesn't state that Costa Rica is better than the US.

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