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Post #16
Thursday July 31, 2014 7:13am

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Original post from 2tone

Well the US hadn't won the FIBA WC for 16 years before winning it in 2010. So I think there is more competition than you think.


That is because no one gives a crap about the FIBA World Cup, although they are now really trying to push it. Win the NBA championship and then the olympic gold medal and american bball fans and players are happy.

Please tell me what country could compete against us with a squad with LeBron, Durant, Howard, Love, Westbrook, Harden, Paul, Wade, Anthony, and even old man Kobe? The best Spain, the supposed 2nd best team in the world, can do is muster the Gasol brothers Serge Ibake and f'n ricky rubio.

In 2012 Olympics we beat Nigeria 156-73. That is 156 to 73!

admsghs27
Post #17
Thursday July 31, 2014 7:40am

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Original post from skangles

No but my wife is from Lithuania and my daughter is a dual national (quick Juergen cap tie her!). I lived in Vilnius for a while and went to most Lietuvos Rytas games during my time there.

I feel connected to the Lithuanian national team for the same reasons as the USMNT, a lot of people overlook them but it doesn't bother them, they play as a team and grind it out.

If you guys have netflix and want to check out a great documentary, I highly recommend "The Other Dream Team" on the 1992 Lithuanian national team. It's about their fight for independence and how as a newly independent country they couldnt afford to participate in the Barcelona games until Jerry Garcia and the Grateful Dead got involved and financially backed them. True story.


That's awesome. I always wondered what's the deal with soccer there, I know they have a good basketball team but are not good at soccer. Would be Kool if they were to qualify for the euro cup.

MSantoine
Post #18
Thursday July 31, 2014 3:34pm

Joined Nov 2012
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This tourney should be for non nba players only. They can let draftees (Parker, smart, etc) play but once you play in the nba your in eligible. Can USA lose? Yes. But is watching them beat everyone but Spain by 80 points fun? No. Even with only rookies/college guys us would still be favored (remenber no nba guys for the other countries either). I'd live watching college all stars take on professionals that aren't good enough to make the nba. Would make the tourney much more competitive.

Also would be fine with a U21 restriction or something for nba players. But watching durant, Lebron, melo, Paul, Davis destroy a bunch of guys who shouldn't be there will keep me from watching. And I can't get into a championship game if I haven't watched the whole tourney.

tylercocinas
Post #19
Thursday July 31, 2014 7:14pm

Joined Aug 2012
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The US used to only use college players but we weren't dominating like we do now, and people were saying the opposite of what you're suggesting. So we're kind of damned if we do damned if we don't.

coverby
Post #20
Thursday July 31, 2014 7:32pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Is the US still capable of winning it? It looks like mostly a B team looking at the roster. And Spain is sending all their best players.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #21
Thursday July 31, 2014 8:19pm

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Original post from coverby

Is the US still capable of winning it? It looks like mostly a B team looking at the roster. And Spain is sending all their best players.


Dude the team will still be stacked. Rose, Curry, Irving, Wall, Harden, Parsons, Durant, Davis, Cousins, Drummond, Thompson.

Yeah still a potentially stacked team.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #22
Thursday July 31, 2014 8:25pm

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Original post from MSantoine

This tourney should be for non nba players only. They can let draftees (Parker, smart, etc) play but once you play in the nba your in eligible. Can USA lose? Yes. But is watching them beat everyone but Spain by 80 points fun? No. Even with only rookies/college guys us would still be favored (remenber no nba guys for the other countries either). I'd live watching college all stars take on professionals that aren't good enough to make the nba. Would make the tourney much more competitive.

Also would be fine with a U21 restriction or something for nba players. But watching durant, Lebron, melo, Paul, Davis destroy a bunch of guys who shouldn't be there will keep me from watching. And I can't get into a championship game if I haven't watched the whole tourney.


They used to.

Should FIFA do the same?

skangles
DC
Post #23
Thursday July 31, 2014 11:49pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 2,088
Original post from MSantoine

This tourney should be for non nba players only. They can let draftees (Parker, smart, etc) play but once you play in the nba your in eligible. Can USA lose? Yes. But is watching them beat everyone but Spain by 80 points fun? No. Even with only rookies/college guys us would still be favored (remenber no nba guys for the other countries either). I'd live watching college all stars take on professionals that aren't good enough to make the nba. Would make the tourney much more competitive.

Also would be fine with a U21 restriction or something for nba players. But watching durant, Lebron, melo, Paul, Davis destroy a bunch of guys who shouldn't be there will keep me from watching. And I can't get into a championship game if I haven't watched the whole tourney.


I don't agree with the bolded portion at all. You're severely underestimating the quality of Euroleague teams. National teams that do not heavily rely on NBA players like Greece, Lithuania, Serbia, Russia, etc. would definitely be favored over a team of rookies and college players. In fact FIBA holds a U19 tournament every 2 years. The US is the defending champs (2013) but has only won 2 of the last 6 tournaments.

skangles
DC
Post #24
Friday August 1, 2014 12:09am

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The Blue vs White game is tomorrow night. I would be thrilled to see a MNT Blue vs White game but the only time that could work is in January of Juergen called up a large group for camp cupcake. It would be fun.

MSantoine
Post #25
Friday August 1, 2014 2:35am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from 2tone

They used to.

Should FIFA do the same?


FIFA has several teams that are equally skilled and competitive. FIFA has us then a huge drop off. Once other nations caught up to us I'd be happy with all nba pros again.

MSantoine
Post #26
Friday August 1, 2014 2:39am

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from tylercocinas

The US used to only use college players but we weren't dominating like we do now, and people were saying the opposite of what you're suggesting. So we're kind of damned if we do damned if we don't.


The difference is back then euros didn't play in the nba. I'm not saying only USA not allow nba players. I'm saying all countries. No dirk for Germany, no gasols, Calderon,ibaka for Spain. No Parker, Diaw, etc for France. No ginobili for agentina. No nene for Brazil.

In the 70s-80s when we went to college guys ussr had full pros, several of which could have been in the nba. Force all FIFA nations to play on equal footing.

Otherwise they should at least change Olympics to be u23 like soccer. Still would have lots of talented guys but wouldn't have the mega stars like Lebrun and Durant so maybe other countries would have a shot.

skangles
DC
Post #27
Friday August 1, 2014 3:36am

Joined Jan 2013
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MSantoine, below is the US Select team. While it doesn't exactly meet your proposed criteria of Rookies or College players it comes pretty close in most cases and is quite young. Do you think this team wins the Gold?

I take your point that other teams wouldn't have their NBA players either which decimates a team like France. Spain still has some good players but they would no longer be an elite team.

I think this US Select team would be ok but I definitely don't think they would medal.

NO. NAME POS HGT WGT DOB NBA TEAM / COLLEGE
36 Harrison Barnes F 6-8 210 5/30/92 Golden State Warriors / North Carolina
38 Trey Burke G 6-1 190 11/12/92 Utah Jazz / Michigan
28 Draymond Green F 6-7 229 3/4/90 Golden State Warriors/Michigan State
59 Tim Hardaway Jr. G 6-6 205 3/16/92 New York Knicks / Michigan
39 Tobias Harris F 6-9 235 7/15/92 Orlando Magic / Tennessee
77 Doug McDermott F 6-8 225 1/3/92 Chicago Bulls / Creighton
71 Victor Oladipo G 6-4 215 5/4/92 Orlando Magic / Indiana
75 Mason Plumlee F 6-11 235 3/5/90 Brooklyn Nets / Duke
74 Miles Plumlee C 6-11 255 9/1/88 Phoenix Suns / Duke
49 Marcus Smart G 6-4 220 3/6/94 Boston Celtics / Oklahoma State
46 Dion Waiters G 6-4 225 12./10/91 Cleveland Cavaliers / Syracuse
47 Cody Zeller C 7-0 240 10/5/92 Charlotte Hornets / Indiana

admsghs27
Post #28
Friday August 1, 2014 4:02am

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That select team will get killed by many teams. Spain, Argentina, Croatia, turkey, Greece etc... I want to see the final roster. Seems line the world is.getting better at basketball by the years just like usa is catching up in soccer but at a rarer rate.

tylercocinas
Post #29
Friday August 1, 2014 2:56pm

Joined Aug 2012
Total Posts: 787
Original post from MSantoine

The difference is back then euros didn't play in the nba. I'm not saying only USA not allow nba players. I'm saying all countries. No dirk for Germany, no gasols, Calderon,ibaka for Spain. No Parker, Diaw, etc for France. No ginobili for agentina. No nene for Brazil.

In the 70s-80s when we went to college guys ussr had full pros, several of which could have been in the nba. Force all FIFA nations to play on equal footing.

Otherwise they should at least change Olympics to be u23 like soccer. Still would have lots of talented guys but wouldn't have the mega stars like Lebrun and Durant so maybe other countries would have a shot.


Oh ok I gotcha. That's not really fair though at the end of the day, to deprive someone of the opportunity to represent their country just because they're the best. That would be inconceivable in football. Also, I think the Olympic Committee is too focused on the starpower of the US, putting butts in seats, and getting television viewers to tune in to make the Olympic version a U23 tournament. That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing a separate U23 tournament.

skangles
DC
Post #30
Friday August 1, 2014 10:20pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 2,088
I'd love to see the Olympics expand its basketball events to include a 3 point competition and dunk contest. When it comes to subjectivity a dunk contest would be no different than gymnastics as long as some more robust scoring criteria were introduced. Plus its ridiculous that we even keep track of country medal counts when a sport like swimming gives you the possibility to win a bundle of medals for swimming different lengths and styles yet the winners of a team tournament collectively add 1 medal to the count.

Can you imagine a dunk contest for a gold medal? Streetballers and pros dunking it out to be the best in the world? You're absolutely right I'd watch.

Kadour Ziani is old now otherwise France would be the favorites to win the dunk contest which would hush any criticism about the US being too dominant at dunking.

If the Olympics wants to boost ratings this is the way to do it.

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