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Post #46
Thursday July 31, 2014 6:05pm

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I think Dempsey could be our Miroslave Klose in 2018. He deff won't play 90 minutes and might not even start any games, but I can't think of anyone else who you'd want in if you needed a goal. I think his game will age well and luckily he doesn't have Donovan's "I'm getting old and can't play as well anymore" attitude. Would not be surprised to see him in 2018.

As far as the lineups everybody is posting, one thing I'd like to see at least tried for a game or 2 is a true 4-3-3. I think Geoff Cameron is really quite a good midfielder, and after Gonzo's performances in the WC would not be surprised to see Cameron in the midfield a bit more for us. This lineup intrigues me:

----------Jozy------
Green----------------Agudelo
-----Jones---Bradley------
--------Cameron------------
Johnson--Besler---Gonzo---Yedlin
----------Guzan-----------

If not Agudelo then maybe Shea or Gyau or another winger. But I think Jones, Bradley and Cameron have enough athleticism/ ability to cover the midfield.

Rey Regicide
Post #47
Thursday July 31, 2014 6:11pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 290
Original post from USAUSAUSAUSA

I think Dempsey could be our Miroslave Klose in 2018. He deff won't play 90 minutes and might not even start any games, but I can't think of anyone else who you'd want in if you needed a goal. I think his game will age well and luckily he doesn't have Donovan's "I'm getting old and can't play as well anymore" attitude. Would not be surprised to see him in 2018.

As far as the lineups everybody is posting, one thing I'd like to see at least tried for a game or 2 is a true 4-3-3. I think Geoff Cameron is really quite a good midfielder, and after Gonzo's performances in the WC would not be surprised to see Cameron in the midfield a bit more for us. This lineup intrigues me:

-----Jozy---
Green--------Agudelo
---Jones--Bradley---
----Cameron------
Johnson-Besler--Gonzo--Yedlin
-----Guzan------

If not Agudelo then maybe Shea or Gyau or another winger. But I think Jones, Bradley and Cameron have enough athleticism/ ability to cover the midfield.


Love your middle three, that could definitely be implemented rihgt now, the front three, I don't think Klinsmann has any reservation against playing Green, but he's never seemed fond of Agudelo on the wing. Which is odd, because if memory serves correctly, Agudelo was used on the wing for the under 20 campaign. And he is most def more skilled than EJ. Not as fast as him I do'nt think.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #48
Thursday July 31, 2014 6:26pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 942
Original post from Kamphgruppe

I would have like to see what Jos Gatt could have achieved with some Klinsmann tutelage. I think he may still have a shot if he can return to form after his injury.


He's all speed, technically deficient. It'll be a problem if he's a part of the USMNT program going forward.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #49
Thursday July 31, 2014 6:29pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 942
Original post from hamsamwich

That's interesting, I only remember Dempsey up top by himself in every game after the Altidore injury. Aside from the 35 or so minutes Wondo played v Belgium.


Not sure what you mean. It really has nothing to do with Dempsey and everything to do with it hasnt worked for us.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #50
Thursday July 31, 2014 6:31pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 942
Original post from Rey Regicide

Here's an interesting video with Johan Cryuff explaining the diamond. Honestly out of all luminaries in the game, I love Cryuff's mind the best. The man basically took Rinus Michel's ideas and put them into fruition on the pitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZ0byEyeOA

Here he basically explains that in this instance, the diamond is a 4 3 3 with the middle of the front 3 (false nine, current messi) playing a dual role, as an outlet or wall for the CDM, and CM's as well as the second wave of attack for the front three, which may or may not be standard wingers or natural forwards (like Lavezzi, Aguero, young messi). Depending on who you select on the front two of the upper 3, meaning the two forwards, this dictates how much movement you get or require of the CF, or false 9. So in our case if we have Altidore, who is a beast in terms of holding the ball up with back to ball, we need more mobile Cm's and natural forwards who move into space, preferably cutting to complement his more static play for the USA. But ironically in Holland, we saw Altidore NEVER post up and was instead the most advanced forward, looking to latch onto crosses from the wings, or pull backs for shots outisde the box. A role Suarez plays or played for Barcelona.


Not saying the formation itself is bad, but for the USMNT, it is. We don't have the players for it. It can work when you use the players you mentioned, like Messi, Aguero, Suarez. We dont have those players.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #51
Thursday July 31, 2014 6:33pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 942
Really hope we see a Cameron/Bradley pairing in the central midfield going forward. I think the double pivot could work with them. Unfortunately this dependent upon our CBs improving dramatically.

Rey Regicide
Post #52
Thursday July 31, 2014 6:59pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 290
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Not saying the formation itself is bad, but for the USMNT, it is. We don't have the players for it. It can work when you use the players you mentioned, like Messi, Aguero, Suarez. We dont have those players.


We aren't trying to go for World Cup finals, just a bit more possession and a comfortably won Gold Cup would do. =D

Dave
Post #53
Friday August 1, 2014 3:47am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 41
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Really hope we see a Cameron/Bradley pairing in the central midfield going forward. I think the double pivot could work with them. Unfortunately this dependent upon our CBs improving dramatically.


While I like Cameron he's on the clock as much as Dempsey, Jones, Howard, & Beasley. Cameron is a great utility player...but he still hasn't staked a claim to any 1 position at the International Level. Add to it that he's going to be pressed by the younger guys coming up at all his positions....
CB - Besler, Gonzalez, Brooks, O'Neill, Packwood, Hedges, Ferrell,
RB - Fabian, Chandler, Yedlin, Lichaj, Ferrell
CM - Williams, Diskerud, Trapp, Powers, Stanko, Canouse, Kitchen

I think Cameron will be the 2018 version of Goodson. He makes the 30 man roster but not the final 23. May not even get the 30 if the young guys have breakout season(s).

richieJkulesaNY
Post #54
Friday August 1, 2014 2:36pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 942
Original post from Dave

While I like Cameron he's on the clock as much as Dempsey, Jones, Howard, & Beasley. Cameron is a great utility player...but he still hasn't staked a claim to any 1 position at the International Level. Add to it that he's going to be pressed by the younger guys coming up at all his positions....
CB - Besler, Gonzalez, Brooks, O'Neill, Packwood, Hedges, Ferrell,
RB - Fabian, Chandler, Yedlin, Lichaj, Ferrell
CM - Williams, Diskerud, Trapp, Powers, Stanko, Canouse, Kitchen

I think Cameron will be the 2018 version of Goodson. He makes the 30 man roster but not the final 23. May not even get the 30 if the young guys have breakout season(s).


To me, he's clearly a CM. I think if he can find a team that will play him there, he'll only get better. We definitely have better backline options, but he would be at the top of that CM list you provided. I can see Stanko and Williams really making a case in the next couple years, but thats really it for me.

Until he starts slowing down, I would roll with him. He's got plenty in the tank for this cycle.

Speaking of which, a few BPL and Bundesliga teams have expressed interest in Cameron. According to Fox Sports, Sunderland, Hull, West Brom, Swansea, Southampton, Schalke and Eintracht Frankfurt are keeping tabs.

Rey Regicide
Post #55
Friday August 1, 2014 2:42pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 290
Would def take the Southhampton gig, wonder how much the release fee is.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #56
Friday August 1, 2014 3:00pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 942
Original post from Rey Regicide

Would def take the Southhampton gig, wonder how much the release fee is.


The artice stated it would likely be more than the $2M price tag Stoke payed MLS/Houston, so it would be tempting for Hughes to cash in.

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