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Rey Regicide
Post #31
Wednesday July 30, 2014 7:36pm

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Original post from admsghs27

That was one of our biggest problems at the WC. We had no wing play, sorry but zusi and bedoya will not be the answer. I been looking at the young players and there isn't a guy or 2 that pop out and tell you they are the future wingers. I see a lot of potential players that could blossom at the wing positions, some that come in mind are parker brothers, Nagbe, gyau, green depending what position he plays, Akale, pulisic, gatt when recovers. Don't think Fabian will be at wing for the future I see him as a LB and Yedlin at RB.


right, Bedoya and Zusi were extremely limited offensively.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #32
Wednesday July 30, 2014 7:41pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Rey Regicide

Do you think he keeps beckerman, if we go 4 4 2 what's that setup look like for you?


Beckerman might play 2015/2016 cuz Klinsy likes him so much...I see his situation the same as Clint's and Jermaine's.

JK seems to favor the 4-4-2 diamond, and I'm inclined to agree. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Zalalem, or else we'll have to rely on the attack creating for themselves instead of have that deep lying playmaker we need. I'm kind of on the fence about the backfield, but I want to see this front 5 of the diamond:

--AJ-Jozy--
--Bradley--
Shea/Fab-Gyau

I'm still holding out hope that Shea can overcome this lull and can turn the potential into reality, but if not then I think Green may have a shout if Fab has lost a step by then.

Rey Regicide
Post #33
Wednesday July 30, 2014 7:50pm

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Original post from recycledhumans

Beckerman might play 2015/2016 cuz Klinsy likes him so much...I see his situation the same as Clint's and Jermaine's.

JK seems to favor the 4-4-2 diamond, and I'm inclined to agree. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Zalalem, or else we'll have to rely on the attack creating for themselves instead of have that deep lying playmaker we need. I'm kind of on the fence about the backfield, but I want to see this front 5 of the diamond:

-AJ-Jozy-
-Bradley-
Shea/Fab-Gyau

I'm still holding out hope that Shea can overcome this lull and can turn the potential into reality, but if not then I think Green may have a shout if Fab has lost a step by then.


Do you think Bradley will fair better in the CM flanks, with Jones for the time being, and having someone else at the diamond. What an opportune time for Diego Fagundez to get married to a US citizen. Or at least for Gil to stop his current slump in form.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #34
Wednesday July 30, 2014 8:22pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from Rey Regicide

Do you think Bradley will fair better in the CM flanks, with Jones for the time being, and having someone else at the diamond. What an opportune time for Diego Fagundez to get married to a US citizen. Or at least for Gil to stop his current slump in form.


To be honest, I was really considering putting either Gil or Flores in that spot, but figure that Bradley is still a fave of JK's and I don't think that will change unless one of the young guys really steps up in a big way.

TheTruth
Post #35
Wednesday July 30, 2014 10:20pm

Joined Dec 2013
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What is that crazy sonofabitch Shea doing these days anyway? Hope he didn't entirely flameout. I'm always skeptical of the big, athletic youth players.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #36
Wednesday July 30, 2014 10:49pm

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Original post from TheTruth

What is that crazy sonofabitch Shea doing these days anyway? Hope he didn't entirely flameout. I'm always skeptical of the big, athletic youth players.


He's getting a look in at Stoke and from what I hear is doing well preseason. I won't hold my breath for him to start consistently, but I'll be shocked if he doesn't see regular minutes this season.

hamsamwich
Post #37
Thursday July 31, 2014 12:21am

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I like Brek Shea, we missed him at the World Cup in my opinion, but really its up to him. I think the EPL was too big of a jump too soon for him, and its going to be tough again for him to get consistent playing time. Really though, he should be able to play adequate defense and get forward well, its really all up to him. He needs to play simple, work and try hard and he will get and keep his chance. When he tries to get fancy on the field, or is doing stupid stuff off it, is where he is sabotaging himself.

Dave
Post #38
Thursday July 31, 2014 2:24am

Joined Jul 2014
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Original post from recycledhumans

Beckerman might play 2015/2016 cuz Klinsy likes him so much...I see his situation the same as Clint's and Jermaine's.

-AJ-Jozy-
-Bradley-
Shea/Fab-Gyau

I'm still holding out hope that Shea can overcome this lull and can turn the potential into reality, but if not then I think Green may have a shout if Fab has lost a step by then.


IMO....outside of competition with CONCACAF team's Bradley is not suited to play the top of the diamond. In the short term (through 2016) I'd use Dempsey.
----------AJ--------Jozy---------
-------------Dempsey-------------
---Jones------------------Bradley---
------------Beckerman-------------
--Chandler---Besler----Cameron---Fabian-

In the Long term there are a number of possibilities for CAM & CDM.....
----------AJ---------Jozy---------
--------------Green---------------
---Fabian-----------------Bradley---
--------------Williams-------------
--Chandler---Besler-----Gonzo---Yedlin--
CAM: Green, Gyau, Gil, Mix, etc...
CDM: Williams, Cameron, Stanko, Canouse, etc....

richieJkulesaNY
Post #39
Thursday July 31, 2014 3:02am

Joined Jun 2012
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I hope we don't see the diamond going forward. I think Klinsy used it out of necessity for the WC.

Rey Regicide
Post #40
Thursday July 31, 2014 12:26pm

Joined Sep 2013
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[quote]Original post from Dave

IMO....outside of competition with CONCACAF team's Bradley is not suited to play the top of the diamond. In the short term (through 2016) I'd use Dempsey.
-----AJ----Jozy-----
-------Dempsey-------
--Jones---------Bradley--
------Beckerman-------
-Chandler--Besler--Cameron--Fabian-

lol this is the exact formation I use in Fifa... and i'm aware noone cares ;D

hamsamwich
Post #41
Thursday July 31, 2014 1:29pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from richieJkulesaNY

I hope we don't see the diamond going forward. I think Klinsy used it out of necessity for the WC.
That's interesting, I only remember Dempsey up top by himself in every game after the Altidore injury. Aside from the 35 or so minutes Wondo played v Belgium.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #42
Thursday July 31, 2014 1:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Gyau and Green are too pacey and like to take on defenders too much not to use them as wide players, potentially tucking inside to open space for the overlap. I really only see the need for two CMs, one as more of a box-to-box and the other as the appointed CDM.

Rey Regicide
Post #43
Thursday July 31, 2014 1:51pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

I hope we don't see the diamond going forward. I think Klinsy used it out of necessity for the WC.


Here's an interesting video with Johan Cryuff explaining the diamond. Honestly out of all luminaries in the game, I love Cryuff's mind the best. The man basically took Rinus Michel's ideas and put them into fruition on the pitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZ0byEyeOA

Here he basically explains that in this instance, the diamond is a 4 3 3 with the middle of the front 3 (false nine, current messi) playing a dual role, as an outlet or wall for the CDM, and CM's as well as the second wave of attack for the front three, which may or may not be standard wingers or natural forwards (like Lavezzi, Aguero, young messi). Depending on who you select on the front two of the upper 3, meaning the two forwards, this dictates how much movement you get or require of the CF, or false 9. So in our case if we have Altidore, who is a beast in terms of holding the ball up with back to ball, we need more mobile Cm's and natural forwards who move into space, preferably cutting to complement his more static play for the USA. But ironically in Holland, we saw Altidore NEVER post up and was instead the most advanced forward, looking to latch onto crosses from the wings, or pull backs for shots outisde the box. A role Suarez plays or played for Barcelona.

Rey Regicide
Post #44
Thursday July 31, 2014 1:54pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 2,001
Original post from Rey Regicide

Here's an interesting video with Johan Cryuff explaining the diamond. Honestly out of all luminaries in the game, I love Cryuff's mind the best. The man basically took Rinus Michel's ideas and put them into fruition on the pitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZ0byEyeOA

Here he basically explains that in this instance, the diamond is a 4 3 3 with the middle of the front 3 (false nine, current messi) playing a dual role, as an outlet or wall for the CDM, and CM's as well as the second wave of attack for the front three, which may or may not be standard wingers or natural forwards (like Lavezzi, Aguero, young messi). Depending on who you select on the front two of the upper 3, meaning the two forwards, this dictates how much movement you get or require of the CF, or false 9. So in our case if we have Altidore, who is a beast in terms of holding the ball up with back to ball, we need more mobile Cm's and natural forwards who move into space, preferably cutting to complement his more static play for the USA. But ironically in Holland, we saw Altidore NEVER post up and was instead the most advanced forward, looking to latch onto crosses from the wings, or pull backs for shots outisde the box. A role Suarez plays or played for Barcelona.


errr for liverpool.

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #45
Thursday July 31, 2014 2:43pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,052
Original post from admsghs27

That was one of our biggest problems at the WC. We had no wing play, sorry but zusi and bedoya will not be the answer. I been looking at the young players and there isn't a guy or 2 that pop out and tell you they are the future wingers. I see a lot of potential players that could blossom at the wing positions, some that come in mind are parker brothers, Nagbe, gyau, green depending what position he plays, Akale, pulisic, gatt when recovers. Don't think Fabian will be at wing for the future I see him as a LB and Yedlin at RB.


I would have like to see what Jos Gatt could have achieved with some Klinsmann tutelage. I think he may still have a shot if he can return to form after his injury.

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