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chillguy1992
Post #46
Tuesday July 22, 2014 10:05pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 462
Considering he was benched last season and couldn't make it into an England national team that was dead last in their group I wouldnt worry to much about his comments. Let him think what he wants as for those who want to bash mls calm down mls has only been around for 20 years every major european league 100 years they have quite the headstart. In those 20 years people have been constantly degrading or bashing mls so is it any wonder people who actually watch mls or go to game of mls at least want to stick up for it. Plus after the US just advanced from a freaking group of death while jolly old england was a glaring failure and one of the worst teams in the world cup you would think our national league would not be looked at as somewhere to get your tan on.

EKneezy
Post #47
Tuesday July 22, 2014 10:12pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,899
Getting worked up from comments by Ashley freaking Cole is pointless.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #48
Tuesday July 22, 2014 10:22pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,120
Original post from chillguy1992

Considering he was benched last season and couldn't make it into an England national team that was dead last in their group I wouldnt worry to much about his comments. Let him think what he wants as for those who want to bash mls calm down mls has only been around for 20 years every major european league 100 years they have quite the headstart. In those 20 years people have been constantly degrading or bashing mls so is it any wonder people who actually watch mls or go to game of mls at least want to stick up for it. Plus after the US just advanced from a freaking group of death while jolly old england was a glaring failure and one of the worst teams in the world cup you would think our national league would not be looked at as somewhere to get your tan on.


Yep. 18 years as a pro league. Some people don't understand how far MLS and soccer has come in that short period of time.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #49
Tuesday July 22, 2014 10:43pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,163
Original post from 2tone

Yep. 18 years as a pro league. Some people don't understand how far MLS and soccer has come in that short period of time.


+1

Took all the top leagues in the world 100+ years to get to where they are now, we should be able to show a little class and patience instead of shit-talking our own league.

MSantoine
Post #50
Wednesday July 23, 2014 2:12am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,200
It comes down to fear. Euro guys are deathly afraid of us. We own basketball, football, baseball, and hockey. Soccer is their game. Since mls started all they've been saying is that it's a fad. That soccer can't work in America. That mls will always be second rate.

So far they've been wrong on all accounts. They want us to fail so they can beat their chests and say I told you so. If mls succeeds they'll all have to eat crow. They don't want to do that.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #51
Wednesday July 23, 2014 3:08am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,120
Original post from MSantoine

It comes down to fear. Euro guys are deathly afraid of us. We own basketball, football, baseball, and hockey. Soccer is their game. Since mls started all they've been saying is that it's a fad. That soccer can't work in America. That mls will always be second rate.

So far they've been wrong on all accounts. They want us to fail so they can beat their chests and say I told you so. If mls succeeds they'll all have to eat crow. They don't want to do that.


Yep. That's what I was getting at when I said they fear the American sports market.

admsghs27
Post #52
Wednesday July 23, 2014 6:52am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,288
[quote]Original post from dunlopp9987

You're telling me that Ashley Cole wouldn't be able to take over the starting LB spot on Chivas USA from Tony Lochhead?

MLS lovefest is right. Don't be ridiculous.[/quote

Nope he won't go there and nope chivas usa won't even take him as a free transfer. The guy always sucked anyways. I would take bornstein over him.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #53
Wednesday July 23, 2014 3:30pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 949
Original post from dunlopp9987

You're telling me that Ashley Cole wouldn't be able to take over the starting LB spot on Chivas USA from Tony Lochhead?

MLS lovefest is right. Don't be ridiculous.


They'd be kissing Ashley Cole's feet if he accepted the MLS offer.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #54
Wednesday July 23, 2014 4:13pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 949
Original post from chillguy1992

Considering he was benched last season and couldn't make it into an England national team that was dead last in their group I wouldnt worry to much about his comments. Let him think what he wants as for those who want to bash mls calm down mls has only been around for 20 years every major european league 100 years they have quite the headstart. In those 20 years people have been constantly degrading or bashing mls so is it any wonder people who actually watch mls or go to game of mls at least want to stick up for it. Plus after the US just advanced from a freaking group of death while jolly old england was a glaring failure and one of the worst teams in the world cup you would think our national league would not be looked at as somewhere to get your tan on.


Yeah why isnt NBC throwing a $250 million dollars at MLS?

1994 World Cup - escape group play, lose by 1 goal to Brazil.

1995 Copa America, USA 3 - 0 Argentina, and wins group.

MLS starts in 1996.

Please explain to me how MLS has improved the USMNT.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #55
Wednesday July 23, 2014 4:16pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,010
Please name to me a World Power in Football that doesn't have a solid domestic league.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #56
Wednesday July 23, 2014 4:19pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 949
I want MLS to thrive as much as the next guy, but I'm not afraid to admit we're moving at a snail's pace in doing so, and we're not even close.

Soccer is huge in this country and MLS barely has its head above water.

I know it takes time, but the bitching needs to be louder to force the issue.

hamsamwich
Post #57
Wednesday July 23, 2014 4:30pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 591
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Yeah why isnt NBC throwing a $250 million dollars at MLS?

1994 World Cup - escape group play, lose by 1 goal to Brazil.

1995 Copa America, USA 3 - 0 Argentina, and wins group.

MLS starts in 1996.

Please explain to me how MLS has improved the USMNT.
Many other countries have improved at a higher rate since '96 than the USMNT has, but to discount the strides made by the clubs and the relative rate of play of the Americans playing themselves is also not true. If there were no MLS, the USMNT would be even farther away from winning a world cup than they currently are, which I agree, is a long way. I will say the quality of play in the Fire Academy and the players produced has definitely increased (we are sending kids to Indiana, UNC, 9 players this year in total. Some of those like Cameron Lindley are looked at as good prospects). Remembering our previous teams, there were hardly any good Americans (our best being Beasley, Bocanegra, and CJ Brown, but those were always developed in other places). For the most part players like Nowak, Gutierrez, Stoichkov, Blanco et al have come from other countries. The skill of certain of our American players has gotten to the point where Dilly Duka and players of his ilk are looked upon as average to below average and they would have been higher rated 10 years comparitively with the same skill set. I'm sure this is the same for other MLS teams. Other countries have improved similarly to their previous level in '96 but are starting with more than USA, that's why our results aren't necessarily that much better.

Jglaube
California
Post #58
Wednesday July 23, 2014 4:43pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 52
To say Ashley Cole couldn't play in the MLS is the most asinine comment ever. Just further proves the title of this post.

db707
Post #59
Wednesday July 23, 2014 4:46pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 113
Original post from hamsamwich

If there were no MLS, the USMNT would be even farther away from winning a world cup than they currently are, which I agree, is a long way. Other countries have improved similarly to their previous level in '96 but are starting with more than USA, that's why our results aren't necessarily that much better.


Well noted. Look at Canada. They were more than a decade behind in getting an MLS team, with very little else in terms of professional soccer to draw on in country. Since last they even made a World Cup playoff in 1994 qualifying, one last place Hexagonal berth in 1998, no Hexagonals since (one Gold Cup win in 2000, I grant). Overall they've regressed and will spend years playing catchup. Not saying we would have been as bad as Canada without MLS, nor am I saying MLS is near where we want it to be. But having MLS definitely has helped us get to a point where we can qualify consistently, which is something to build from. Before MLS we did only qualify in 1990 when Mexico was banned, and even then only barely.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #60
Wednesday July 23, 2014 5:59pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,120
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Yeah why isnt NBC throwing a $250 million dollars at MLS?

1994 World Cup - escape group play, lose by 1 goal to Brazil.

1995 Copa America, USA 3 - 0 Argentina, and wins group.

MLS starts in 1996.

Please explain to me how MLS has improved the USMNT.


Since MLS started the USMNT has qualified for every WC after, topping the Hex group 3 times out of the last 4 Hex qualifying groups.

The USMNT has won the Gold Cup 4 times after the start of MLS.

Previous to MLS the US won the Gold Cup 1 time in 1991.

They made it to the QF's of the 2002 WC with 11 MLS players on the team with 8 out of 11 of those players being starters in that tournament.

The USMNT has made it into the round of 16 in three out of the last four WC's after MLS was instituted.

More US players have been noticed and signed by European teams because of MLS.

More US players that have played in MLS and then been bought by a European team have had much more success in Europe then US players that were signed as a youth or signed straight out of college for a European based team. I can name a crap load of US youth players, that never played in MLS prior to signing for a European team, that failed to make any impact in Europe.

MLS has had a huge impact on the USMNT. And will continue to have a huge impact. MLS is not moving at a snails pace. It's moving at a pace as a modern league should in a country that is saturated by other pro sports leagues for 50 plus years.

Attendance numbers continue to increase every year. Local TV ratings increase every year. The product on the field is better than it was even two years ago. MLS academies are churning out talented American players and talented foreign players tied to other countries in Central America/Mexico.

If you can't see this then you're feigning ignorance on purpose.

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