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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #16
Friday July 18, 2014 8:14pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Every single game is not massively important with pro/rel. You can be a mid tier team with 3 months left with pro/rel and stay mid-tier at the end of the season.

The every single game "important" moniker is a false narrative.

I'd say 1 in 5 games in the EPL I watch I consider "good" soccer.

There are many games in MLS where the product is very good. Just like any other league in the world there will be good soccer games and bad soccer games. Why does MLS get lumped into one category? There are teams that play really good attractive soccer in MLS and teams that don't. There are teams that play really good attractive soccer in the EPL and then there are teams that blow.

Oh and I have watched enough Eredivisie and MLS over the past 4 years to rightly make an opinion that MLS is on par with the Eredivisie as a league.

EKneezy
Post #17
Friday July 18, 2014 8:48pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,835
I like that we have these conversations. But why do we do this all the time? We know MLS improving but not there yet. We know it cant compete with the top six leagues in terms of money, respectability, and quality.

Its gonna be a while till it can compete. Academies are churning out better players and the quality is getting better.

Pro/rel is a tired debate. It isn't necessary right now.

Why do we have these debates when we know the answer is time?

MSantoine
Post #18
Friday July 18, 2014 9:09pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,182
Pro/Rel will never work in MLS. USA/Canada is too large of a landbase. Why does pro/rel work in Europe? Because every major cities has multiple teams so there's always going to be a top division team from there. London has how many teams? If we had pro/rel you'd knock out major markets, (Boston, Sea, LA) and bring in small markets (OKC, Sac, Mil). Then when the tv contract is up, ABC/NBC/ESPN say no thanks. league goes bankrupt.

Obviously thats a little bit of a stretch but thats why pro/rel wouldnt work in USA.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #19
Saturday July 19, 2014 12:22am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,191
Disagree...but to each their own.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #20
Saturday July 19, 2014 12:24am

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 941
Pro/Rel would improve the entire US Soccer system, from top to bottom.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #21
Saturday July 19, 2014 1:11am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,014
I see a system emerging like MLB for MLS. Affiliate clubs to MLS teams. Not saying Pro/rel won't happen, but I don't see it happening for a long time.

TheTruth
Post #22
Saturday July 19, 2014 1:16am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 245
Original post from EKneezy

I like that we have these conversations. But why do we do this all the time? We know MLS improving but not there yet. We know it cant compete with the top six leagues in terms of money, respectability, and quality.

Its gonna be a while till it can compete. Academies are churning out better players and the quality is getting better.

Pro/rel is a tired debate. It isn't necessary right now.

Why do we have these debates when we know the answer is time?


+1M

TheTruth
Post #23
Saturday July 19, 2014 1:27am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 245
I also don't see pro/rel happening anytime soon if ever. It's kryptonite to an MLS owner.

I'm a big fan of pro/rel, but the NFL manages to be intensely exciting to large populations of Americans.
There's something riding on the large majority of games throughout the entire season. Playoff spots, home field advantage, etc. at stake w/ almost every game. Then, sure a few games in the last 2 weeks don't matter.
The US is pretty good at the business of sports. Don't forget that we could teach the rest of the world a lot on this topic. I'm a free marketer as much as the next guy, but the NFL produces quite a product.

joey11
Post #24
Saturday July 19, 2014 7:59pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 159
Pro/Rel will never wok in the US because "Professional" means something different in the US than everywhere else. In Europe they see a 3rd division player is just as much a professional as 1 division, just not the same quality of player. Here in sports like MLB and NHL farm systems and USL fans don't see those players as "professionals" as they do their major league counterparts so you only see die hard fans showing to games. You can see how in the US fan base would drop just by looking at the difference between the NY Red Bulls and the Cosmos.

admsghs27
Post #25
Saturday July 19, 2014 10:01pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,142
Seattle should if easily been up by 3 or 4 goals vs Tottenham. So many missed chances.

Jglaube
California
Post #26
Saturday July 19, 2014 11:24pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 52
Seattle's A-team (for 75 minutes) couldn't even beat a Tottenham C team, but hey let guys like 2Tone and some of the other guys say we're almost at that caliber!

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #27
Saturday July 19, 2014 11:29pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,014
Original post from Jglaube

Seattle's A-team (for 75 minutes) couldn't even beat a Tottenham C team, but hey let guys like 2Tone and some of the other guys say we're almost at that caliber!


Your comments make me laugh. It's to bad you feel the need to try to degrade other people's opinions. Have a good day.

Jglaube
California
Post #28
Saturday July 19, 2014 11:34pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 52
Original post from 2tone

Your comments make me laugh. It's to bad you feel the need to try to degrade other people's opinions. Have a good day.


You call it degrading, I call it restating your actual opinions and disagreeing. Don't get to sensitive now.

admsghs27
Post #29
Sunday July 20, 2014 12:00am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,142
Original post from Jglaube

Seattle's A-team (for 75 minutes) couldn't even beat a Tottenham C team, but hey let guys like 2Tone and some of the other guys say we're almost at that caliber!


C team ??? Wow you must not know any of their players. At least 15 first team players played. Many of them will be starting week 1 in the Epl.

dunlopp9987
Post #30
Sunday July 20, 2014 12:09am

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,188
Original post from admsghs27

C team ??? Wow you must not know any of their players. At least 15 first team players played. Many of them will be starting week 1 in the Epl.


I think what he meant was that it wasn't their true starting XI. Sure, many of the guys who will be first teamers played today, but they were mixed in there with guys who definitely won't be first teamers, let alone on the team come September.
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