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Dave
Post #181
Friday March 3, 2017 2:25am

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Original post from Know Nothing

I would play a modified 4-3-3 which would look more like a 4-3-2-1

Yedlin, Birnbaum, Brooks, Besler
MB90, Cameron, FJ
Pulisic, Hyndmann
Wood

Pulisic and EH would have "free" roles


I've got no issue with the Christmas Tree formation, or the majority of the players you've identified. The couple changes I'd make are as follows:
1) Besler isn't a Left Back. If you're going to move FJ forward, than either Villafana (my choice) or Garza have to be the LB. However, I expect FJ to remain our LB under Bruce.
2) If Cameron is in the midfield than Bradley is on the bench. Again I expect Cameron, if healthy, to be the RCB with Bradley as the CDM.
3) The above 2 changes force an adjustment to your midfield selections. I could see Hyndman dropping into one of the deeper spots playing as a #8. Than put Nagbe on the opposite side. If he were healthy/playing I'd add Gooch as an option in this type of roll too.
4) Insert Arriola or Green into that "free" role beside Pulisic.

-------------Wood-------------
----Pulisic-------------Arriola-----
-----Nagbe----------Hyndman----
------------Bradley-------------
--Fabian---Brooks----Cameron--Yedlin--

Arriola/Green/Zardes & Pulisic have the speed, creativity, & make the runs needed to get in behind. Nagbe & Hyndman have the Technical ability to maintain possession and cycle the ball into dangerous spaces, while also having the tenacity to slow down the opposition. Bradley provides cover for FJ & Yedlin bombing forward.

Rey Regicide
Post #182
Friday March 3, 2017 4:21pm

Joined Sep 2013
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I have no problems, with Cameron being the dude at CB for our team.

But more and more he's made his appearances for Stoke at CDM.

And he's looked pretty comfortable there. And he's pretty skilled.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #183
Friday March 3, 2017 10:08pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,334
Cameron's best position has always been CDM. But USMNT managers have always been reluctant to take Bradley out of the midfield for good and bad.

Dave
Post #184
Saturday March 4, 2017 1:40am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 799
Original post from 2tone

Cameron's best position has always been CDM. But USMNT managers have always been reluctant to take Bradley out of the midfield for good and bad.


I agree that Cameron's best position is probably as a #6 and I would love for him to be our starting CDM. But to make that happen we've got to insert someone else at RCB and either bench Bradley or move him further up-field.
We've got the same problem/issue with Cameron moving from CB to CDM as we've got with moving Fabian from LB into the midfield. Namely that right now there are more quality options at their best positions (CDM & MF respectively) than we have at the positions they play for the USMNT.

CDM: Bradley, Jones, Williams, Morales, Kitchen, Acosta
RCB: Gonzalez, Birnbaum, CCV, Miazga
CCV & Miazga have great potential, but they're not ready yet. Gonzalez & Birnbaum are back-ups only against anyone outside of CONCACAF.

LB: Villafana, Garza, Castillo,
MF: Pulisic, Nagbe, Green, Gooch, Zardes, Arriola, Manneh,
Villafana is possibly talented enough, but he's not getting playing time at the club level. Garza was exposed against speedy opponents and hasn't yet shown he's fully recovered from his hip surgery.

Until something with the young RCB options changes I don't see Cameron moving into the midfield, and by then he may not even be our best CDM option.

hamsamwich
Post #185
Sunday March 5, 2017 4:18pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,519
He could be getting serious minutes for Bournemouth and their all action style under Eddie Howe next season, the run up to the World Cup. He's in a good position to make something of his career as we move towards summer and next season.

MSantoine
Post #186
Sunday March 5, 2017 8:15pm

Joined Nov 2012
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If he avoids an injury this summer I'd be shocked if he isn't their starter next year

Rey Regicide
Post #187
Tuesday March 7, 2017 1:36pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
I wonder how many people I can piss off, lol.

But I think our best all around midfielders, now that the decline of JJones has actually happened...(that decline is all athletic btw)

are Nagbe and Cameron.

If passing and control is the main attribute to a midfielder, and regardless of how you feel, or what your philosophical approach is, then those two guys offer the most in those categories. The fact that they have decent to really good work rate make them indispensable to our cause of not gifting easy possession to the other team.

I know that's pretty bold statement, but f it, that's what we do here..

Also, i'm starting to think that all along during late arena, early middle late Bradley and even early Klinsmann.. we should have just penned in Donovan and Dempsey at F's and called it an exercise of building a team to support their attack. Seriously what for Ching, McBride's Wondo's...

Go Hyndman.

hamsamwich
Post #188
Tuesday March 7, 2017 3:31pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,519
I question Nagbe's willingness too impose himself and dominate. Cameron I have less concerns about, but Nagbe needs to bring more than just skill. To me he's just another Agudelo or Chandler or Feilhaber.

Also, McBride should never be put in the same sentence as Brian's ching or Wondolowski. He was a very good player for USA unlike the other two. I get what you're saying @rey, and I think that we will see those sort of stylistic changes as we move forward. Bob Wood starting over Jozy with Pulisic as his partner?

I'd rather see Hyndman than Nagbe personally moving forward, although I am allowing for Nagbe to show something and impose himself on these games.

Rey Regicide
Post #189
Tuesday March 7, 2017 3:48pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
Points well delivered, what I would suggest to you is, how he dominates is completion of passes, number of passes, completion of dribbles, ie how many times he loses the ball, and how many times he moves the ball, and team forward.

If you get away from the assists and goals metrics, you'll see that in every game that he's entered for the US. He's looked pretty good.

Although it's kinda funny in the game vs Ecuador he was like 33/33 and he scored the goal at the end... while only playing a half.

I like Acosta (who is more and more looking like he's a CM and not CDM) and Hyndman and I like that both are scoring goals. Do you play both at the same time?

hamsamwich
Post #190
Tuesday March 7, 2017 4:11pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,519
I would consider it. At least they are both playing CM. Part of the complaint (a dumb one I think) over Jürgen was his always playing "guys out of position". Does Nagbe have one? He plays on the left now for Portland, but like you I think he's more of a CM.... will Arena continue the trend?

--it's ironic the two guys you chose are two of the more versatile players we have, yet they've never really found a permanent positional home. And I'm ok with that.

bjelks
Post #191
Tuesday March 7, 2017 4:21pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 426
Acosta is a CDM. Please leave him there. Having an athletic, skilled CDM is what makes world powers - world powers.

I see Hyndman as more of an attacking CM. He does a good job of moving forward and has real teeth in front of goal.

Nagbe nor Cameron are better at passing/ control/ creating than Pullisic or Fab.

Bobby Wood should be supported by a technical support striker like Green or T. Boyd.
goalsense
Rey Regicide
Post #192
Tuesday March 7, 2017 4:23pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
throw in Fab, too

Each was either not available (Nagbe, Fabian until switch) or literally got better and proved himself at a much later age (Cameron).

So say Michael Bradley, regardless of what position, but deservedly so while growing up - 21 to say 28 - was our first choice no brainer CM.

Everyone else kinda AufBau'd there way onto the team, filling up whatever space was available and in need at the time.

Know Nothing
Post #193
Sunday March 12, 2017 4:02pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,248
Played 90 minutes in the Old Firm derby. Fair showing IMO, took him a while to get into the match. Got better in the later stages of the match and had the shot which forced a rebound that led to the equalizer.

skangles
DC
Post #194
Sunday March 12, 2017 6:18pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 5,300
Original post from Know Nothing

Played 90 minutes in the Old Firm derby. Fair showing IMO, took him a while to get into the match. Got better in the later stages of the match and had the shot which forced a rebound that led to the equalizer.


Agreed. There was a moment early in the game where it was Shake 'N Bake and Emerson helped but it didn't lead to anything. Some strong goalkeeping from Craig Gordon stuffed two chances from Waghorn in on goal.

Just a really entertaining last 10 minutes. The Old Firm is back!

Rey Regicide
Post #195
Monday March 13, 2017 12:14pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,973
Monte Carlo football

if you're not a winger or a Michael Bradley charging through the middle you might as well not be there.

Reason why I wasn't too pissed hwen I read that Zelalem was "struggling".

HEre's what they said about Hyndman this Sunday

Garbage, lazy, uninspired

http://www.footballinsider247.com/rangers-fan...

I think I should coin that. British football is monte carlo football.

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