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Dave
Post #16
Friday July 4, 2014 3:24am

Joined Jul 2014
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In some regards Donovan's comments are accurate. IMO the biggest issue with the team was that we didn't have a like replacement for Jozy. Others have commented on how Jozy's injury effected where players were deployed...Dempsey as Target....Bradley as a CAM...etc. Hopefully JK and his staff learned from this for the future.
The past is behind us....and I am looking forward to what will happen over the next 4 year cycle.
IMO I'd love to see how one of the following would fair....

----------Jozy-----------
----Johannsson-----Green-------
---F.Johnson---------Bradley----
---------Williams----------
--Chandler------------Yedlin---
-------Brooks---Packwood------
---------Guzan----------

Bench: Boyd, Agudelo, Gyau, Arriola, Gatt, Powers, Trapp, Kitchen, Acosta, Lichaj, Gonzalez, Besler, S. Johnson, Hamid

----------Jozy----------
--Johannsson-----Gil------Green---
-------Williams---Bradley-------
-F. Johnson---Brooks---Packwood--Yedlin--
----------Guzan----------

Bench: Same as above.

cleancutimage
Post #17
Friday July 4, 2014 3:33am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 146
Original post from Dave

In some regards Donovan's comments are accurate. IMO the biggest issue with the team was that we didn't have a like replacement for Jozy. Others have commented on how Jozy's injury effected where players were deployed...Dempsey as Target....Bradley as a CAM...etc. Hopefully JK and his staff learned from this for the future.
The past is behind us....and I am looking forward to what will happen over the next 4 year cycle.
IMO I'd love to see how one of the following would fair....

-----Jozy------
--Johannsson---Green----
--F.Johnson-----Bradley--
-----Williams-----
-Chandler------Yedlin--
----Brooks--Packwood---
-----Guzan-----

Bench: Boyd, Agudelo, Gyau, Arriola, Gatt, Powers, Trapp, Kitchen, Acosta, Lichaj, Gonzalez, Besler, S. Johnson, Hamid

-----Jozy-----
-Johannsson---Gil---Green--
----Williams--Bradley----
-F. Johnson--Brooks--Packwood-Yedlin-
-----Guzan-----

Bench: Same as above.


That's helluva first XI. Love the Packwood selection. That's a lot of raw talent just waiting to reach their potential.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #18
Friday July 4, 2014 3:50am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 4,662
Yedlin doesn't agree with Landons comments about Jurgen "setting the team up to fail."

He goes on to say that the USMNT is lucky to have Klinsmann as the head coach.

Interview is up on SI.com.

I get a feeling that there certainly was a disconnect with Donovan and his teammates in the locker room.

Jzaval01
Post #19
Friday July 4, 2014 4:06am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,249
Definite the end of Donovan in this team. Sad it end like this. Jurgen and Donovan have always been opposite type of people.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #20
Friday July 4, 2014 8:01am

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 924
Which, even though I wanted Donovan in Brazil, is probably the best thing for this team and this nation as it pertains to footballing (That being Klinnsman's type), Jzaval01.

hamsamwich
Post #21
Friday July 4, 2014 12:55pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 388
Of course we didn't "set up to fail". Funny how the Germans can still compete with no outside backs or CF in their system. How is that not "set up to fail"?? With 5 in the midfield, you would think we could have MORE, not less possession than with the 4-4-2. So I dont know what LandyCakes is talking about. For everyone that jumped on me for agreeing with Jurgen about leaving out LD, it's obvious now that Landon and his douchebag attitude have been holding us back for a while now. He got lucky to get that tap-in against Algeria. If the first shot goes in, nobody has a romantic notion of the biggest UNDERACHIEVER in USMNT history. His stats are nice, but for the winner of the "Golden Ball" at youth level, he never got a lot better, and was subsequently passed by players around the world. Thank god we got rid of him for players like Green and Yedlin, who want to reach for the stars, not just a spring water on the beach in Malibu.

navi8132
Post #22
Friday July 4, 2014 1:14pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 1,849
http://www.si.com/soccer/video/2014/07/03/yed...

Watching this interview, in this kind of an in-person interview, the only answer any sane person who still wants to stay in Jurgen's good graces is to say "landon was wrong." This doesn't show us anything about what Yedlin actually thinks. If I were in Yedlin's shoes I would praise Jurgen with 2 thumbs up. Because I would want to play.

Live490
Texas
Post #23
Friday July 4, 2014 4:30pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 179
We haven't even seen how green pans out yet.. We will be lucky if he even becomes half as good as Donovan.. He could be worse or even better. He never held us back, it's the lack of talent. If anything he helped us move a little forward. We might have all these young talents everyone is going crazy about and excited but they haven't done squat. Other players we haven't heard of could show up before the ones we know about. Funny how almost everyone hates on Donovan when he was the only one that have the USA a chance back then. He helped the mls grow and now he is a big fish in a small pond. Mls would probably suck more if he had left to Europe or Mexico.

TheTruth
Post #24
Friday July 4, 2014 8:18pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 221
Original post from 2tone

Yedlin doesn't agree with Landons comments about Jurgen "setting the team up to fail."

He goes on to say that the USMNT is lucky to have Klinsmann as the head coach.

Interview is up on SI.com.

I get a feeling that there certainly was a disconnect with Donovan and his teammates in the locker room.


C'mon, dude. Really? Have you ever worked in a company before? One of the easiest routes to getting ahead: constantly, vigorously, and publicly praise your boss (whether he is a bufoon or not). I don't fault Yedlin for it. It's smart.
No other player on the radar screen for 2018 is going to say anything near critical about Juergen.

dolcem
Post #25
Saturday July 5, 2014 4:38am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,026
First of all, what Landon did was classless, and it couldn't more obviously be sour grapes. When Bocanegra was suddenly ditched, did he come out and criticize the team? That's the difference between he and Landon. And Landon doesn't have reason to whine. Our manager places a huge emphasis on fitness and he showed up to a friendly two months before the World Cup with a beer belly. And then made a bunch of comments publicly about how is too old to train hard anymore. I guess Ryan Giggs and Javier Zanetti used a lot of performance enhancing drugs? How come Beasley never complains about it (and he spent most of his career in faster-paced leagues than the MLS)?

It's so funny hearing the contrast between the perception of US soccer abroad versus what (most) Americans think. Every time I start a conversation with someone about soccer, pretty much the first thing they say is "you guys were great this world cup" and "that Klinsmann's a great manager" or something like that. And then on the internets I read the American opinions and it's just a bunch of assclowns that think that because they can't find Belgium, Portugal, or Ghana on a map, that they aren't good teams.

We have all had to put up with rain's constant spamming over the past two years or so...the message was the same. JK is not a good coach (and I guess he thinks Sigi Schmid or Vermes would be better), Jones is washed up, and Kljestan is the second coming of Zinedine Zidane. These posts had no real analysis other than his cherry-picking of box scores to find 'data' that would suit his arguments.

JK got us out of one of the toughest groups in WC history, and we almost beat a Belgium team with much, much more talent than us. Jones was our best player bar none. And Kljestan ended up getting benched rather than securing a transfer to a better team.

Rain also said that if we got out of the group stage he would call Klinsmann a genius...

The criticism that we didn't play offensively enough isn't a valid one either because we played much more attractive soccer than we did under previous coaches, despite not having the attacking talent (rarely had Donovan and Dempsey at the same time, and they have been past their prime). The team has clearly evolved since the days of BB, and while we were very defensive this tournament, we still showed that when we needed to, we could attack with style against some of the world's best teams.

It's one thing to be wrong about something. But if you constantly repeat the opinion over and over again as if it were fact, say that if you are proven wrong, you will admit it...and the result is that reality shows you to be wrong, you need to either own up a bit or stop posting. Period.
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cudevil
Post #26
Saturday July 5, 2014 4:49am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 197
I wonder what the perception would be had we beaten Portugal. Ridiculous that 30 seconds would be the difference between success and failure considering that a) we were easily the better team against Portugal and b) we still got out of the group.

skangles
DC
Post #27
Saturday July 5, 2014 5:22am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,791
For me the key takeaway from the World Cup that Juergen needs to fix is that we looked like a dog responding to a doorbell in the first 10 minutes of every match. Our anxious energy worked well for us against Ghana but we conceded an early goal to Portugal and allowed both Germany and Belgium dangerous opportunities to go ahead early.

We need to find a mechanism to settle ourselves early without conceding chances against good competition.

coverby
Post #28
Saturday July 5, 2014 8:50am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 57
Anyone else see this:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/coach-slams-med...

hamsamwich
Post #29
Saturday July 5, 2014 1:53pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 388
Exactly right Dolcem. Bocanegra = class, hard working. Landon = talented jerk.

Coverby, great link there. Magath plainly put it out there for the simpletons: Never was a Raul, or anything like that. Cant wait for Magath to coach up young Hyndman, a match made in heaven for the kid, let's see what he becomes.

skangles
DC
Post #30
Saturday July 5, 2014 3:04pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,791
Calling Landon a mediocre player is ridiculous and immature. He's going to ignore Landon's accomplishments to point out of Landon's career. By that logic, Magath is a mediocre coach who once failed to lead a talented Bayern team to qualify for the Champions League and was fired. They finished fourth under him in 2008 their worst finish in 13 years. Let's ignore the fact that Magath led them to the Bundesliga title the two years prior because we want to argue like Felix Magath.

There is no need for Magath to get involved and as much as Landon should have kept his mouth shut if somebody wants to have a go at him, attack him for being classless, attack him for his qualifications as a tactician but don't attack his playing ability.

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