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Post #46
Thursday July 3, 2014 12:48am

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I'm really looking Foward to the 2015 gold cup because if we win we would qualify for the 2017 confederations cup which would be very helpful going into the 2018 world cup. But before 2018 the biggest tournament would be the 2016 Copa Americas here. I think usa has a good shot of winning their first FIFA tournament ever.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #47
Thursday July 3, 2014 3:12am

Joined Jul 2012
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The always to early 23 man 2018 WC team projection:

GK: Hamid, Sean John, Guzan

Defense: Chandler, Yedlin, Fabian, Garza, Cameron, Gonzo, Besler, Brooks

CM's: Bradley(C), Mix, Stanko, Pelosi, Zelalem(All signs point to him getting US citizenship soon)

Attackers: Altidore, Agudelo, ArJo, Nagbe(will have citizenship December of 2015), Gyau, Green, Parker( rumblings are that he is really leaning towards repping the states, and Klinsmann is in hot pursuit of him.)

hamsamwich
Post #48
Thursday July 3, 2014 3:43am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,448
Dont forget about Cody Cropper. He's one more sale by Southampton to being in their first team, if he wont be this year anyway. I say he's a Premier League starter in 2 years.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #49
Thursday July 3, 2014 5:17am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 999
Duane Holmes

Dave
Post #50
Thursday July 3, 2014 5:48am

Joined Jul 2014
Total Posts: 1,111
There are few players from the 2014 Squad/Qualification that need to be replaced before 2018. And many of them were players most scratched their heads over this past cycle.
Players to replace now....
Wondo, Davis, Rimando,
Players to replace after 2015 GC or 2016 Copa America.....
Howard, Dempsey, Jones, Beckerman, Cameron, Donovan, Goodson, Beasley, Zusi, Bedoya

Young players waiting in the wings to replace these players is much larger than ever before....
Packwood, Arriola, Williams, Gil, Powers, Gyau, Corona, O'Neill, Klute, Farrell, Boyd, Kitchen, Gatt, Acosta, Agudelo, Gall, Joya, Trapp, Stanko, Pelosi, Rubin, S. Johnson, Hamid, Cropper, Canouse, Gooch, Scott, Pfeffer, Holmes, Serna, Rowe,
And there are bound to be others who come out of the woods over the course of the next 4 years.

kjperuch
Post #51
Thursday July 3, 2014 2:52pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 223
Original post from USAGunner

Was it not obvious to people how different our team looked IMMEDIATELY without Jozy out there? Ghana didn't start dominating possession until Jozy went out.

Seriously what has Boyd done? Score 20 goals in Austria? Jozy scored 31 in Holland (A better league than Austria).

Suddenly Boyd is a better option than Jozy, with more potential, stronger, better on the ball, just as good hold up play, etc?


Nobody is denying the fact that we hurt without a hold up player like Jozy. We obviously needed him. We are talking about the future.

Jozy had a rough year and we all hope he returns to excellent form but I think we all realize the amount of talent we have and if Jozy is not performing why use him?

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #52
Thursday July 3, 2014 4:44pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from kjperuch

Nobody is denying the fact that we hurt without a hold up player like Jozy. We obviously needed him. We are talking about the future.

Jozy had a rough year and we all hope he returns to excellent form but I think we all realize the amount of talent we have and if Jozy is not performing why use him?


Who is to say his form is any less than Boyd's or Johannson's? Altidore in 2012/13 had a better season than either of those 2 have ever had. He had a rocky 2013/14 and didn't score many goals, but he was still playing and according to many he still had good form, the goals just weren't going in (a lot of which had to do with poor service. Sunderland's service got MUCH better shortly after he was benched...who's to say if he wouldn't have scored much more with that service). Then he comes to the USA and you could easily see in the first 2 matches his form was fine, he was playing great, despite not scoring. Then against Nigeria he finally scored and then again. But his form wasn't any better.

Who's to say that if Boyd went to Sunderland or Johannson that they would have scored any more goals than Altidore did. I would guarantee you that they wouldn't have even seen the field near as much as altidore, nor played as good as he did.

He is our best striker right now, by far our best hold-up striker. He is only 24 and can (and will) still improve. So in the future Jozy is still our best option (and not a bad one...albeit not a great one).

Jozy has as much or more potential over the next 4 years than any striker in our set-up right now.

USA field players because of a bad youth system over here, traditionally are later bloomers than the rest of the world. So 24 to the rest of the world is not young. For the USA, it's still young.

Dempsey's best years were 27-29.
McBride's best years were 30-33.
Donovan's best were 26-30.
Wynalda's best were 27-30.
Earnie Stewart is really the only one who did anything of note oversea's before the age of 25. And he grew up in Netherlands, and was not a product of US youth system.

Jozy still has plenty of improvement.
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kjperuch
Post #53
Thursday July 3, 2014 5:10pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 223
Original post from USAGunner

Who is to say his form is any less than Boyd's or Johannson's? Altidore in 2012/13 had a better season than either of those 2 have ever had. He had a rocky 2013/14 and didn't score many goals, but he was still playing and according to many he still had good form, the goals just weren't going in (a lot of which had to do with poor service. Sunderland's service got MUCH better shortly after he was benched...who's to say if he wouldn't have scored much more with that service). Then he comes to the USA and you could easily see in the first 2 matches his form was fine, he was playing great, despite not scoring. Then against Nigeria he finally scored and then again. But his form wasn't any better.

I think you are getting a little to emotional over Jozy. You are speaking in "what if's" and "who's to say" scenarios. The fact is is that Jozy had a horrible year and got dropped to the reserve team. Did you watch any of his games? To say he was playing great is a ignorant statement. Ill be honest because I have never been a fan of Jozy. The guy has no talent besides kicking the ball really hard semi accurately when he gets a good pass. He couldn't create a goal for himself in his own dreams.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #54
Thursday July 3, 2014 5:22pm

Joined Sep 2012
Total Posts: 1,408
Does anyone have solid news on Pelosi's injury return and how he's playing? LFC dude?

cudevil
Post #55
Thursday July 3, 2014 6:10pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 1,105
Original post from kjperuch

I think you are getting a little to emotional over Jozy. You are speaking in "what if's" and "who's to say" scenarios. The fact is is that Jozy had a horrible year and got dropped to the reserve team. Did you watch any of his games? To say he was playing great is a ignorant statement. Ill be honest because I have never been a fan of Jozy. The guy has no talent besides kicking the ball really hard semi accurately when he gets a good pass. He couldn't create a goal for himself in his own dreams.


That's more than a little nuts. He's big, fast and physical. He plays really well with his back to goal. He's adept at holding the ball and either starting the transition to offense or drawing a foul.

And what does it mean to "create a goal for himself"? The most recent example I can think of-vs. Nigeria-are you really suggesting that his second goal had anything to do with the pass?

tjknowsall
Post #56
Thursday July 3, 2014 6:40pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 436
think about best case scenerios in player development... we could actually have a semifinal talented team

guzan
yedlin besler brooks johnson
Bradley
Gyau Zelalem Nagbe Green
Agudelo

could be such a fun team to watch

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #57
Thursday July 3, 2014 6:44pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
Original post from kjperuch

I think you are getting a little to emotional over Jozy. You are speaking in "what if's" and "who's to say" scenarios. The fact is is that Jozy had a horrible year and got dropped to the reserve team. Did you watch any of his games? To say he was playing great is a ignorant statement. Ill be honest because I have never been a fan of Jozy. The guy has no talent besides kicking the ball really hard semi accurately when he gets a good pass. He couldn't create a goal for himself in his own dreams.


I'm not emotional. Just being realistic. I am not the one speaking of "what if's" you guys are saying Boyd and Johannson have more potential. Based off of what? Because the FACTS say that neither have done anything close to what Jozy has done.

Your last statement says it all. I'm not the one saying Jozy was in good form. Jurgen said that, even his coach was saying that he was in good form, just couldn't find the net (which is why he eventually went to the bench). His season wasn't horrible. Yes I watched a LOT of Sunderland and Arsenal games.

The only ignorant statement is that he "has no talent besides kicking the ball really hard semi accurately when he gets a good pass. He couldn't create a goal for himself in his own dreams." Pure ignorance and couldn't be farther from the truth.

Listen Altidore is not a world class striker, and will never be one. No one on the USMNT radar has shown they have that kind of potential as a striker. NO ONE. BUT Altidore has shown more than Boyd or Johannson up to now. I'm going to take Aron out of this discussion because he is a completely different style player than Altidore. Boyd has shown NOTHING that says he will replace and/or be better than Altidore. NOTHING. So saying he will be the starter in 2018 is based off of nothing but "what ifs". Again Altidore is not world class, but he is talented enough to be a striker for mid table EPL team and score 10-15 goals with 6-7 assists if he is in the right set up. That is his ceiling. I think Johannson may have a ceiling close to that too. But I have seen nothing from Boyd to say that he is that.

The only players that we have that potentially (but still have a long way to go) could be world-class are:
Julian Green and John Anthony Brooks. Gideon Zelalem too if he ends up with the USMNT.

Other than that maybe some of the young, young guys, but we definitely haven't seen enough of them at all to say that.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #58
Thursday July 3, 2014 6:56pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,595
I would be remiss not to add my boys Alfred Koroma and Jordan Morris into the conversation for 2018.

Alfred Koroma is already impressing with Fluminense Reserve team. Scoring I believe 2 goals and adding a further 3 assists as a LW.

Jordan Morris trained with the USMNT in Stanford and was seen assisting on goals and impressing Klinsmann.

Both are considered to be Olympic team starters.

kjperuch
Post #59
Thursday July 3, 2014 6:59pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 223
Original post from cudevil

That's more than a little nuts. He's big, fast and physical. He plays really well with his back to goal. He's adept at holding the ball and either starting the transition to offense or drawing a foul.

And what does it mean to "create a goal for himself"? The most recent example I can think of-vs. Nigeria-are you really suggesting that his second goal had anything to do with the pass?


Yes I would say that second goal had a lot to do with the pass. He received stepped to right and shot. Something he should have been doing the whole season. Like I said he just smashes the ball semi accurately.

kjperuch
Post #60
Thursday July 3, 2014 7:06pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 223
Original post from USAGunner
I'm not emotional. Just being realistic. I am not the one speaking of "what if's" you guys are saying Boyd and Johannson have more potential. Based off of what? Because the FACTS say that neither have done anything close to what Jozy has done.

Your last statement says it all. I'm not the one saying Jozy was in good form. Jurgen said that, even his coach was saying that he was in good form, just couldn't find the net (which is why he eventually went to the bench). His season wasn't horrible.


As we have learned from the past three years Klinsman isnt always the best in new conferences. He say a lot of things to get the team motivated.

Just face up and admit Jozy had a horrible season and that his career is on a decline

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