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dunlopp9987
Post #31
Wednesday July 2, 2014 7:37pm

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I just think it's absurd to even try and predict. I mean, look at the starting XI against Ghana this year. After the 2010 WC, who would've predicted Bedoya would be starting? Or Beckerman, Beasley (at LB), Besler, or Fabian? Guys are gonna come out of nowhere. The only ones I think are near-locks for starting in 2018 (assuming we qualify) are MB90 and Guzan. Everything else can change.
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Jzaval01
Post #32
Wednesday July 2, 2014 7:39pm

Joined May 2013
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Original post from dunlopp9987

I just think it's absurd to even try and predict. I mean, look at the starting XI against Ghana this year. After the 2010 WC, who would've predicted Bedoya would be starting? Or Beckerman, Beasley (at LB), Besler, or Fabian? Guys are gonna come out of nowhere. The only ones I think are near-locks for starting in 2018 (assuming we qualify) are MB90 and Guzan. Everything else can change.

I agree but i think we can all agree there is massive amount of talent coming up and that what exciting.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #33
Wednesday July 2, 2014 7:39pm

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Personally I see Agudelo as the main striker come 2018. His hold play is just as good as Altidores, he is just as strong, has better ball skills than either Boyd or ArJo, and when he is on he can be unstoppable.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #34
Wednesday July 2, 2014 7:41pm

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Original post from 2tone

Personally I see Agudelo as the main striker come 2018. His hold play is just as good as Altidores, he is just as strong, has better ball skills than either Boyd or ArJo, and when he is on he can be unstoppable.


That was my pick over Wondo for this WC. I'd take any of those over Altidore but Agudelo is definitely my first choice.

Jzaval01
Post #35
Wednesday July 2, 2014 7:57pm

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USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #36
Wednesday July 2, 2014 8:21pm

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Original post from kjperuch

I think Boyd or someone else is going to start ahead of Jozy next world cup. In my honest opinion I think Jozy's career is about done. And most would disagree with me. He might go somewhere and have an ok season but he has already peaked. I hope he proves me wrong. We have to much talent coming up for us to rely on a bench player.


I just don't get the disdain for Jozy. The guy is 24 and has started the last 2 World Cups for the USA and people think Boyd or someone else is going to start over him?

Why do people think Jozy has peaked? He went through a rough season and still looked very good in our warm-up matches and was looking very good against Ghana until the injury.

Was it not obvious to people how different our team looked IMMEDIATELY without Jozy out there? Ghana didn't start dominating possession until Jozy went out.

Seriously what has Boyd done? Score 20 goals in Austria? Jozy scored 31 in Holland (A better league than Austria).

Suddenly Boyd is a better option than Jozy, with more potential, stronger, better on the ball, just as good hold up play, etc?

All this is is the backup syndrome. You see it in american football with struggling QB's (the backup is always better).

Jozy has not hit his prime. He is still getting better on his touches and his finishing. Anyone watching over the last 2 years can easily see that.
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USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #37
Wednesday July 2, 2014 8:29pm

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Jozy's touch isn't going to improve too much more, that's something that is developed early on. It's not good enough, and some of these young players, Boyd and Agudelo, etc will have the opportunity to bypass Jozy because of that. All they need is games and more experience at a higher level, they will most likely get that by 2018.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #38
Wednesday July 2, 2014 8:49pm

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Next season will tell a lot if Jozy will continue to be the preferred striker for USA. Boyd is a non threat until he actually gets to a decent league. AJ will improve so that will be interesting. But Agudelo has never shown the ability to actually score goals. 3 in 14 games at Utrecht is terrible (for that league). 2 in 18 for USA is terrible. And his MLS track record is terrible minus a couple good months for the Revs. Kid appears to have all the talent in the world but strikers need to score. And the counter argument that he is still young is unacceptable. Every country in the world has strikers who are as young as him scoring goals.
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USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #39
Wednesday July 2, 2014 8:57pm

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Original post from snipes87

Next season will tell a lot if Jozy will continue to be the preferred striker for USA. Boyd is a non threat until he actually gets to a decent league. AJ will improve so that will be interesting. But Agudelo has never shown the ability to actually score goals. 3 in 14 games at Utrecht is terrible (for that league). 2 in 18 for USA is terrible. And his MLS track record is terrible minus a couple good months for the Revs. Kid appears to have all the talent in the world but strikers need to score. And the counter argument that he is still young is unacceptable. Every country in the world has strikers who are as young as him scoring goals.


By every country, you mean countries that are top tier.

TheTruth
Post #40
Wednesday July 2, 2014 9:57pm

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I agree. Just a hunch, but I think Jozy has peaked. He can be pretty for a few more years in MLS and that's about it.

chillguy1992
Post #41
Wednesday July 2, 2014 10:23pm

Joined May 2013
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Since we are looking towards the future we should focus on what to expect the next four years. There will be five main events to identify and choose players for the 2018 world cup. Also with these events there will be transistions from the older guard to the younger guard.
1. The gold cup for the next year any players selected for the team will be selected for the explicit possibility of the gold cup. There will be certain players that will be dropped immediately after the world cup and will not feature for the us anymore. Brad Davis,Nick Rimando, and Chris Wondolowski will not be chosen for next years gold cup due to age or the need for a target forwards. However players such as Kyle Beckerman, Jermaine Jones, Demarcus Beasley, Clint Dempsey, Tim Howard this next years gold cup could be their swan song but more likely their swan song will be.
2. Copa America 2016 the potential perfect swan song for the players who really stepped up in the world cup and still have a decent amount left in the tank. Even if we dont end up winning the competition the chance for players that have meant so much to go out in 2016 is a perfect time to transistion. Then there is the question of what to do with the young players. Plus older role players who were left off the world cup roster possibly clarence goodson, Michael Parkhurst, Eddie Johnson dare I say landon donovan although chances of that are slim but fun to think about.
3. The olympics to give our young players a taste of international competition. I think we will qualify for this one the last qualification campaign was a disaster and I dont think it will happen again. You can bleed in a lot of players who are in u-23 range who might not be ready to start with the national team just yet. Julian Green , John Brooks, Deandre Yedlin will be leading this squad with a bunch of other young players potentially. Things can always change or klinsmann takes them for copa america as backups then plays them in the olympics.
4. World cup Qualifying the chance to narrow down from the olympics, copa america, and previous gold cup. Now you bring your best 23 at the moment prepare depth for injuries and give young players more responsibilty after the olympics. Plus cast a wide net and see who steps up in world cup qualifying and who does not.
5. 2017 confederations cup the chance to bring 23 players with a pretty large amount of them figuring to go to the 2018 world cup. This is a chance to accumulate to the host nation plus try out diffrent formations, player roles and a chance to follow your potential gameplan for next years world cup. Of course friendlies will play a large role but these five events will be what shapes the national team for the 2018 world cup.

cudevil
Post #42
Wednesday July 2, 2014 11:46pm

Joined Oct 2012
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Original post from TheTruth

I agree. Just a hunch, but I think Jozy has peaked. He can be pretty for a few more years in MLS and that's about it.


Just as a purely objective, scientific issue, he hasn't peaked physically. Maybe certain aspects of his game are as good as they will ever be, but adding additional physical development will make him a better player. Esp. a guy like Jozy that relies on his size/speed/physicality over pure technical ability.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #43
Wednesday July 2, 2014 11:50pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,595
Yes he only scored 3 goals for Utrecht. Do you realize how hard it is to come into a team/League in the middle of the season and really produce? I watched plenty of his games with Utrecht and he was a constant threat. He could have had more goals 5 to 7 if a few shots on goal went his way. Also Utrecht really, really , really want him back.

Agudelo is still young. Need I remind people that Drogba didn't really come into his own until he was 23/24.

Some fans have this misguided perception that all players should be stars by their late teens/ early 20's when the reality is that very few players become stars in their late teens/ early 20's.

admsghs27
Post #44
Thursday July 3, 2014 12:09am

Joined Nov 2012
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I think at this point us soccer as a whole specially fans need to have expectations of getting to the quaters and beyond. If were out before that it should be viewed as an absolute failure. Getting out of the group should be automatic and a must from now on. Quaters and beyond Period!!! A round of 16 lost is a failure from now on. We have plenty of talent coming up and here already if jurgen doesn't know how to utilize it then oh well bring on someone who could. I don't wanna hear no more excuses, Ohh we could of should of would of but You dint. Close doesn't matter either you win or lose there is nothing more to it. And another thing I expect usa to be a #1 seeded team in Russia. As for the 23 I have no idea. There could be as much as 18 new players in 2018. The only locks I would have are Bradley, Guzan, Green, Yedlin, Johansson.

Jzaval01
Post #45
Thursday July 3, 2014 12:20am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,315
Original post from admsghs27

I think at this point us soccer as a whole specially fans need to have expectations of getting to the quaters and beyond. If were out before that it should be viewed as an absolute failure. Getting out of the group should be automatic and a must from now on. Quaters and beyond Period!!! A round of 16 lost is a failure from now on. We have plenty of talent coming up and here already if jurgen doesn't know how to utilize it then oh well bring on someone who could. I don't wanna hear no more excuses, Ohh we could of should of would of but You dint. Close doesn't matter either you win or lose there is nothing more to it. And another thing I expect usa to be a #1 seeded team in Russia. As for the 23 I have no idea. There could be as much as 18 new players in 2018. The only locks I would have are Bradley, Guzan, Green, Yedlin, Johansson.

have to agree. Getting out of a tough group is fine and acceptable but losing to Belgium the way we did is just not good enough imo. If you want to stride on become a world class team then you need to have expectation like one. We are good enough to be in Quarter finals 70% of the times unless we face Brazi, Germany etc etc

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