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skangles
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Post #346
Sunday July 2, 2017 3:20pm

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Tim Howard's saves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOO9_Jh00wI

Save 1) Through on goal but difficult angle - decent chance to score
Save 9) This should have been a goal, great save from Howard
Save 10) Free shot inside the box - very good chance to score
Save 11) Shot from distance with pace, not easy but could have been a goal
Save 16) Should have been a goal but this was extra time.

If we replayed the game with the same chances, Wondo probably buries his and we lose 3-1 in regulation. Wondo is the scapegoat for this loss and while he failed massively, it's ignoring the chances that Belgium had.

You're absolutely right that Belgium were the better team both going into the game and certainly on the day. Belgium should have won. If we wanted to win we needed to cut down Belgium's chances. And the answer might be that that wasn't possible because they are just too good and we didn't have the talent to keep up outside of Howard.

bjelks
Post #347
Sunday July 2, 2017 3:43pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Nobody was blaming Wondo for the lost but we can blame JK for limiting our ability to compete at our highest level by picking Wondo over LD. JK knew Wondo was useless at this level but he picked and played him because of his ego.
If anything, we could've reduced their chances by having better attacking players in the field say LD which would add more attacking quality.
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dolcem
Post #348
Sunday July 2, 2017 7:50pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,729
Original post from bjelks

@dolcem Do you think Landon Donovan was a better and more versatile player than Wondo?
Do you think Aguedelo was a better player than Wondo?
I would argue that J Jones, J A Brooks, and Fab could've played for that Belgium team.


Original post from bjelks

Nobody was blaming Wondo for the lost but we can blame JK for limiting our ability to compete at our highest level by picking Wondo over LD. JK knew Wondo was useless at this level but he picked and played him because of his ego.
If anything, we could've reduced their chances by having better attacking players in the field say LD which would add more attacking quality.


The game isn't played on paper. Klinsmann felt that bench spots should be used on players who have the best attitude, because it's contagious (someone like Rimando, for example). He had also made fitness and desire his message for the cycle, and Donovan, after having quit soccer, shows up to a friendly a couple months before the World Cup with a beer gut and then says publicly that he felt to old to train at 100%. He had also been crap in MLS up to that point of the season. Wondo also offered something LD didn't-the ability to poach goals, which he nearly did vs. Belgium. Moreover, Donovan wasn't fit enough to play 90 minutes and then add in all of the drama involved with having our best player of all time on the bench. Wondo wanted to be there more badly so Klinsmann gave him the spot. It was a very gutsy call but we ended up having a great World Cup because of our tenacity, so it apparently paidoff.

What people also forget is the way we played depended completely on having a target forward, and Altidore got injured the first game, leaving us without one. I thought we'd lose the next two matches for sure but we played great and then went toe to toe with a team quite simply on a different planet than us. Now should JK have brought on Boyd instead of Wondo? Wondo offered something different (not to mention he's a model pro) and it probably didn't make sense to have two target forwards. No one knew Altidore would get hurt.

Original post from skangles

Tim Howard's saves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOO9_Jh00wI

Save 1) Through on goal but difficult angle - decent chance to score
Save 9) This should have been a goal, great save from Howard
Save 10) Free shot inside the box - very good chance to score
Save 11) Shot from distance with pace, not easy but could have been a goal
Save 16) Should have been a goal but this was extra time.

If we replayed the game with the same chances, Wondo probably buries his and we lose 3-1 in regulation. Wondo is the scapegoat for this loss and while he failed massively, it's ignoring the chances that Belgium had.

You're absolutely right that Belgium were the better team both going into the game and certainly on the day. Belgium should have won. If we wanted to win we needed to cut down Belgium's chances. And the answer might be that that wasn't possible because they are just too good and we didn't have the talent to keep up outside of Howard.


9 should have been a goal. 16 maybe, but we'd already made it to extra time. Wondo missed a sitter to win and that free kick towards the end probably should have been a goal. At the end of regulation time, they should have had one goal and we should have had one goal. We somehow make it to extra time, go down 2-0, and got so close to tying it up.

It was an historic USNT performance all around and I can't believe that people are talking about how many shots we allowed. You don't win by shooting, you win by scoring, and we almost beat one of the world's best teams. I'll never forget that match. I watched it at an expat bar and met two really cool USNT fans who had been to the group stage games. We were disappointed to get so close and lose but we celebrated how well we played. Afterwards ended up at my house and did a bunch of Colombian blow. Everyone in Argentina (locals and European expats) talked about how great the US played. Eventually, I started reading the comments here and at SBI and couldn't believe what I was reading. People were complaining that we allowed too many shots...against players like Hazard, De Bruyne, and Lukaku. I just can't fathom how people weren't thrilled about our World Cup and our performance that match. It'll be very interesting to see how people respond to our performance in Russia in 2018.
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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #349
Sunday July 2, 2017 8:50pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,006
Even with my hatred of JK, I wouldn't blame him 100% for excluding LD.
LD can take a fair share of that blame.

JK's just a crap player manager, so if he has to work on someone's mindset, he's going to tell him to beat it instead. He's not the guy who can work with any type of player mindset.

hamsamwich
Post #350
Monday July 3, 2017 4:16am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 2,501
Original post from bjelks

Klinsman still needs his ass kicked and coaching license suspended for not only picking Wondo over Donovan, but actually playing him in the knockout round.
He actually picked Aron Johansson over Donovan. Wondo was on that team regardless.

This Belgium loss sticks out in my head as USA getting worn down by a superior and much deeper Belgian team... they brought on Lukaku (who is one of the most expensive and sought after players in the world), who beasted Matt Besler and got them the all important first goal as he started that fast break at the halfway line. De Bruyne did the rest. As for the dreamer klinsmann, he almost got the two luckiest dice rolls of all time- 2nd division scrub Green scored a priceless goal and San Jose legend Wondo almost stole the game... but the difference is in the quality of the players. The USA is Brad Davis and Zusi and Besler and Wondo- that's just the way it is. And Arena isn't changing that, he's relying on it again.

Rey Regicide
Post #351
Monday July 3, 2017 12:31pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 1,843
That crafted piece of trickery.

Who came up with that play?

"There was very little technical instruction and the players had to get together independently before the game to discuss how we wanted to play...."

asking for a german friend lol

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #352
Monday July 3, 2017 7:53pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,006
Both of these things can be true at once.

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