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Live490
Texas
Post #301
Wednesday July 2, 2014 4:42pm

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Donovan would have made more of a difference easily than Bedoya and Zusi even Bradley as a ten. Even Davis and Wondo.

hamsamwich
Post #302
Wednesday July 2, 2014 4:47pm

Joined Oct 2013
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Original post from SiteBomb621

Does Donovan make or miss that shot if he is in the exact same position as Wondo?
That's our problem. Wondo gets into the best spots but he doesnt do the rest of the stuff well. Jozy does the other stuff well, but doesnt always get into the right spots. EJ, well we've seen that movie too. If anyone knows what they mean by a 5-tool player in baseball, we dont quite have any yet on the USMNT. Bradley not as good positioned farther upfield. Same with Dempsey. De Bruyne on the other hand mixed pace, power, and technical ability in a way Bradley couldnt. Brooks is our closest thing probably to a real player (besides Howard), a true world class defender. But thats Russia 2018 cycle. JK rightfully so going nowhere.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #303
Wednesday July 2, 2014 4:52pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Original post from Live490

Donovan would have made more of a difference easily than Bedoya and Zusi even Bradley as a ten. Even Davis and Wondo.


No way Donovan survives playing Wing in this tournament at his age/fitness. So you can throw out him making any impact (positively) at either Wing.

The only thing one could possible say is Donovan over Wondo. But even then I just don't see him making an impact there. Sure he probably makes that shot that Wondo missed. But I don't think he would even be IN That position to make that shot, that's just not his game.
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Live490
Texas
Post #304
Wednesday July 2, 2014 4:59pm

Joined Mar 2013
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I didn't really see much wing play by anyone because they were tucked in, the side mids.. I honestly think he could have helped in keeping possession and on the counters. He could have done more than Davis. I'll tell you that. But oh well, he didn't go and that's that.

platter
Jacksonville, FL
Post #305
Wednesday July 2, 2014 5:01pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 96
How anyone can think the outcome of this world cup could be better with a different coach is beyond me. This isn't the Premier league or la Liga, the coach has to put the players on the field he has, (JK added a few promising players, that may not ever have worn the red,white, and blue without him, but that's not the primary argument). The team worked hard for him, chemistry is as high as ever on the team. The arguments people make about substitutions and picking the 23, would be present no matter whom the coach is, it happens every cycle for every nation in the WC.

I like Donovan, but you'd think he were the American Pele the way people talk about him, fact is he was a very good but not great player on the world stage, who has regressed with age quicker than any of us, including Klinsman, would have liked. He DID bring in young players who will grow as a result of this WC experience. Yedlin in particular grew tremendously as a result of his inclusion.

Belgium IS better than us....they deserved to win. My hope is the US can be the Belgium of '18. The defense is solid going forward, and we have young electric attacking options that should develop positively over the next 4 years.

Just enjoy the positives of this WC and quit dwelling on overly analytical criticisms of this cycle and look forward to what should be a successful run in the near future.

Know Nothing
Post #306
Wednesday July 2, 2014 5:03pm

Joined Jan 2013
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It is easy to say LD would have done this or would have done that. I don't hear many saying LD may have pulled his hamstring or LD would have wilted in the conditions. And I have seen LD miss sitters like Wondo missed.

Fact of the matter is LD was not going to be a starter. Given his frankness in how he felt (hoping the US would lose) lends some credence to taking a lesser player who works for team chemistry over a player who may have sulked about not starting and eroded the team chemistry.

As far as JK is concerned I will not bash him. We were in one of the toughest groups of the WC against teams very adept at attacking with better attacking options than were at our disposal. I will not fault him for playing on the counter...it's not how we wanted to play but the quality of our opposition dictated the need to do so. At the end of the day it is about results, not aesthetics.

SiteBomb621
Post #307
Wednesday July 2, 2014 7:09pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
Original post from 2tone

You all do realize that JK is not only the coach but the technical director as well? JK isn't going anywhere. And he shouldn't be going anywhere.


Yea because i trust a man who's technical knowledge puts Wondo in front of AJ, Boyd, EJ, and Donovan.....

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #308
Wednesday July 2, 2014 7:42pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from SiteBomb621

Yea because i trust a man who's technical knowledge puts Wondo in front of AJ, Boyd, EJ, and Donovan.....


Lol. You really think all coaches are 100 percent right all of the time? He got it wrong, shit happens. Hindsight is 20/20.

Most of you stated in no uncertain terms that EJ should be nowhere near the 23.

SiteBomb621
Post #309
Wednesday July 2, 2014 7:56pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
Original post from 2tone

Lol. You really think all coaches are 100 percent right all of the time? He got it wrong, shit happens. Hindsight is 20/20.

Most of you stated in no uncertain terms that EJ should be nowhere near the 23.


Sorry i'm not most of them saying he should be no where near the team... Yes he got it wrong... no shit.... you don't get paid that kinda money because you want to bring your boy scouts along for the ride. At the end of the day, after i heard our TRUE LEADER Howard say that LD was one of the top 2 players at camp, and then 2 days later LD gets cut, and Nobody has a voice about it? Hard to respect cowards like that... i'm not one to say that LD should have started any single game in this tourney...but to say that he could not help off the bench... its insane. What's done is done, and i'm all for the future, but sorry i'm never been a fan, he should have been tossed after the qualifying match... take the job in Europe seriously...

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #310
Wednesday July 2, 2014 7:58pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,410
Original post from SiteBomb621

Yea because i trust a man who's technical knowledge puts Wondo in front of AJ, Boyd, EJ, and Donovan.....


The fact that you include EJ in that......well, I wouldn't question JK if I were you.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #311
Wednesday July 2, 2014 8:00pm

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 2,003
Original post from Northlander
First time we put together decent WC


WHAT?

soccerboy-1983
vicenza, italy
Post #312
Wednesday July 2, 2014 8:03pm

Joined Nov 2013
Total Posts: 306
Original post from mmee

WHAT?


He must be new to soccer

munns5986
Post #313
Wednesday July 2, 2014 8:12pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 260
Original post from SiteBomb621

Sorry i'm not most of them saying he should be no where near the team... Yes he got it wrong... no shit.... you don't get paid that kinda money because you want to bring your boy scouts along for the ride. At the end of the day, after i heard our TRUE LEADER Howard say that LD was one of the top 2 players at camp, and then 2 days later LD gets cut, and Nobody has a voice about it? Hard to respect cowards like that... i'm not one to say that LD should have started any single game in this tourney...but to say that he could not help off the bench... its insane. What's done is done, and i'm all for the future, but sorry i'm never been a fan, he should have been tossed after the qualifying match... take the job in Europe seriously...


Landon Donovan has been great for the game in America but his time is over. Certain people are not made to be substitutes and I think Landon is one of those people. Do you think that one of the reasons the US did so well was chemistry? Landon already stated that he wished for the US to lose in the friendlies because he was cut. Do you think if he was relegated to the bench and maybe not getting to play at all that his attitude would have been different? Like I said some people just aren't made to be supporters.

krdonnel
Post #314
Wednesday July 2, 2014 8:21pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 41
Sounds like SiteBomb is a little ass hurt. Its ok buddy. We all deal with the disappointment in out own way...

Anyways, after having some time to think it through, here are my thoughts. Remember..these are MY opinions

1) Belgium was CLEARLY the more talented team. I think we all knew that going in but even i didnt realize how individually talented they were. Pundits expected them to wilt under the pressure given their relative inexperience but they did not. They put in a very respectable team effort which showcased a loaded roster and played with more maturity that most anyone thought they could at this point in time. Kudos to them.

2) The U.S. was visibally less rested that Belgium. You could see the toll the group stage had on them. From the level of competition, difficulty of venues, and enormous travel schedule, the U.S. had it worse. Belgium for reference had a MUCH easier group (they rested most of their players for the final game) with much better venue and travel schedule. You could see this on the field from the first minute of the match. I feel it played a HUGE role in this game.

3) I feel beating Portugal (like we should have!) would have made a huge difference to the U.S. both physically and psychologically. We could have rested several players the last game and been in a better position (physically) for the knockout rounds. i am in no way saying we should have just rolled over for Germany. It would have simply allowed us to use other players just as effectively while giving some needed rest to others.

Lastly, i really really enjoyed watching Yedlin and Green make run after run at the Belgium defense. Those two showed the type of athleticism and skill sets weve desperately needed. I love the future of this team and the young talent coming up over the next few years. Hopefully they all continue to develop and the U.S. keeps winning more battles of the talented dual nationals .

Im disappointed in the result but it is no less that what both teams deserved. Yes the U.S. had GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES to win (heres looking at you Wondo) or tie (in extras) but Belgium was clearly the better team. I enjoyed watching how Belgium played and how they handle themselves as professionals during and after the game. i will be rooting for them the rest of the way.

SiteBomb621
Post #315
Wednesday July 2, 2014 8:45pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
Original post from krdonnel

Sounds like SiteBomb is a little ass hurt. Its ok buddy. We all deal with the disappointment in out own way...

Anyways, after having some time to think it through, here are my thoughts. Remember..these are MY opinions

1) Belgium was CLEARLY the more talented team. I think we all knew that going in but even i didnt realize how individually talented they were. Pundits expected them to wilt under the pressure given their relative inexperience but they did not. They put in a very respectable team effort which showcased a loaded roster and played with more maturity that most anyone thought they could at this point in time. Kudos to them.

2) The U.S. was visibally less rested that Belgium. You could see the toll the group stage had on them. From the level of competition, difficulty of venues, and enormous travel schedule, the U.S. had it worse. Belgium for reference had a MUCH easier group (they rested most of their players for the final game) with much better venue and travel schedule. You could see this on the field from the first minute of the match. I feel it played a HUGE role in this game.

3) I feel beating Portugal (like we should have!) would have made a huge difference to the U.S. both physically and psychologically. We could have rested several players the last game and been in a better position (physically) for the knockout rounds. i am in no way saying we should have just rolled over for Germany. It would have simply allowed us to use other players just as effectively while giving some needed rest to others.

Lastly, i really really enjoyed watching Yedlin and Green make run after run at the Belgium defense. Those two showed the type of athleticism and skill sets weve desperately needed. I love the future of this team and the young talent coming up over the next few years. Hopefully they all continue to develop and the U.S. keeps winning more battles of the talented dual nationals .

Im disappointed in the result but it is no less that what both teams deserved. Yes the U.S. had GOLDEN OPPORTUNITIES to win (heres looking at you Wondo) or tie (in extras) but Belgium was clearly the better team. I enjoyed watching how Belgium played and how they handle themselves as professionals during and after the game. i will be rooting for them the rest of the way.


We were in the group of death every team in that group had more talent than we did whats your point. No shame in being outclassed and stealing a game...which was going to happen yesterday.... ANything else to say??

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