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SiteBomb621
Post #286
Wednesday July 2, 2014 2:11pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
At the end of the day the USMNT under JK was supposed to be upgraded, when in reality we actually did worse record wise than 2010 under Bob Bradley. JK's legacy with the USMNT will ALWAYS be leaving Donovan off this roster and Wondo missing a basically open goal in stoppage time.

I find the people on this site who supported Wondo over LD disgusting honestly I never understood how you could come to that conclusion. All i could think about after the loss was hearing the announcers screaming donovan's praises for saving the team in stoppage time again. Poetic Justice it would have been.

Glad to see Green and Brooks and Yedlin do well. I still say JK should take the Galatasaray job...and just leave us alone. Split way to many fans with your head scratching decisions....

navi8132
New York
Post #287
Wednesday July 2, 2014 2:28pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,756
It's the fact that Wondo and Arjo, if Jurgen knew they did not fit into his gameplan, then WHY TAKE THEM? Yedlin and Green fit into his game plan as possible subs at winger positions, fine, that makes sense. But if Wondo and ArJo couldn't work, which we essentially knew prior to the World Cup, then why wasn't Terrence Boyd or Eddie Johnson there? It shouldn't matter if he rates Wondo and Arjo higher than them, this is about the best gameplan/team.

kjperuch
Post #288
Wednesday July 2, 2014 2:39pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 219
Original post from navi8132

It's the fact that Wondo and Arjo, if Jurgen knew they did not fit into his gameplan, then WHY TAKE THEM? Yedlin and Green fit into his game plan as possible subs at winger positions, fine, that makes sense. But if Wondo and ArJo couldn't work, which we essentially knew prior to the World Cup, then why wasn't Terrence Boyd or Eddie Johnson there? It shouldn't matter if he rates Wondo and Arjo higher than them, this is about the best gameplan/team.


well in my personal opinion, I believe Boyd and AronJ were set up perfectly together. They both had stellar season with their clubs and the linked up well together during qualifying against panama. I saw a future with those two together. I was happy Eddie didn't make the squad and was hoping Wondo wouldn't make it. neither of them are technically gifted and neither know how to create. But if you watch Boyd and AronJ they create opportunities for themselves all the time.

Northlander
Post #289
Wednesday July 2, 2014 2:43pm

Joined Jun 2014
Total Posts: 4
Wondo missed a great opportunity, should he have scored....yes. These things happen in the game though. If we are going on goals that SHOULD have been scored than the Wondo chance wouldn't have mattered Because Belgium would have 3 or 4 by that point, not even factoring in the shots that Howard saved.

Criticism is fine, but be fair. We were tired and outclassed at every position except keeper. It was a good run and although I am disappointed there is nothing to be ashamed about. First time we put together decent WC and have a lot to build on going forward.

SiteBomb621
Post #290
Wednesday July 2, 2014 2:47pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
Original post from navi8132

It's the fact that Wondo and Arjo, if Jurgen knew they did not fit into his gameplan, then WHY TAKE THEM? Yedlin and Green fit into his game plan as possible subs at winger positions, fine, that makes sense. But if Wondo and ArJo couldn't work, which we essentially knew prior to the World Cup, then why wasn't Terrence Boyd or Eddie Johnson there? It shouldn't matter if he rates Wondo and Arjo higher than them, this is about the best gameplan/team.


So fitting the game plan means coming in as a sub simply because Jozy was hurt for AJ, and for Wondo to come in and hold the ball because we just needed to run the clock out...which we didnt do btw and to miss a basically open goal?... What exactly did either one of those players do in this WC that says they should have been on the roster from what you are saying...?

tjknowsall
Post #291
Wednesday July 2, 2014 3:07pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 364
ok people saying we did worse than last world cup is ridiculous. we were in a group where imo all 3 teams were better than all three teams in last world cup. we lost respect in 2010 from many europeans by our laughable tie vs Slovenia and our lose to Ghana. This World Cup we beat a better Ghana side, with many world class players in their prime, we took it to and out classed a Portugal team that went to the semis of the Euro Cup, and then lost 1-0 to germany. We then went on to take a team with 3X the talent into OT, and almost forced Pks... WorldCup2014>>>>>WorldCup2010... Oh yea and we have talent to look forward to. Last world cup we had nothing really to look at as the future. This time green, yedlin, brooks, besler, gonzo, etc... but all these players need to go play over seas. You could see what playing at a high level for a couple months did to them, they now need to take what they learned from klinsy and develop it even more abroad

SiteBomb621
Post #292
Wednesday July 2, 2014 3:16pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
Original post from tjknowsall

ok people saying we did worse than last world cup is ridiculous. we were in a group where imo all 3 teams were better than all three teams in last world cup. we lost respect in 2010 from many europeans by our laughable tie vs Slovenia and our lose to Ghana. This World Cup we beat a better Ghana side, with many world class players in their prime, we took it to and out classed a Portugal team that went to the semis of the Euro Cup, and then lost 1-0 to germany. We then went on to take a team with 3X the talent into OT, and almost forced Pks... WorldCup2014>>>>>WorldCup2010... Oh yea and we have talent to look forward to. Last world cup we had nothing really to look at as the future. This time green, yedlin, brooks, besler, gonzo, etc... but all these players need to go play over seas. You could see what playing at a high level for a couple months did to them, they now need to take what they learned from klinsy and develop it even more abroad


The problem with EVERYTHING you said is the fact that when JK came on board, he promised Attacking, Possession based Soccer which is exactly why he brought in the Germans, the Staff the youth.... So you tell me exactly why we looked exactly like Bob Bradley was sitting out there? We played nothing more than Counter Soccer the entire Tourney.... You want possession and attacking but leave out Mixx, don't bring in Gil, or Corona... you want to attack but bring in a forward who only scores when hes in the destined spot he should be in? How many goals have you seen Wondo create on his own its always a toe tap or a slight kick in the 6yard box.... Wondo had a defender on him aka HE AINT SCORING.... Don't get me wrong i'm very proud of how the youth played... but again... Davis on LD? WHY? Do not tell me LD does not make that shot...

TheTruth
Post #293
Wednesday July 2, 2014 3:49pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Original post from SiteBomb621

At the end of the day the USMNT under JK was supposed to be upgraded, when in reality we actually did worse record wise than 2010 under Bob Bradley. JK's legacy with the USMNT will ALWAYS be leaving Donovan off this roster and Wondo missing a basically open goal in stoppage time.

I find the people on this site who supported Wondo over LD disgusting honestly I never understood how you could come to that conclusion. All i could think about after the loss was hearing the announcers screaming donovan's praises for saving the team in stoppage time again. Poetic Justice it would have been.

Glad to see Green and Brooks and Yedlin do well. I still say JK should take the Galatasaray job...and just leave us alone. Split way to many fans with your head scratching decisions....


+1. This World Cup was an overall success and I give JK some credit, but I'm ready for him to go. But I think we all know he's staying for a long time. He loves SoCal. Maybe he can do a switch with Arena.

TheTruth
Post #294
Wednesday July 2, 2014 3:55pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
I'm not going to defend Wondo. He missed a sitter, it was reminiscent of his Gold Cup miss, contrary to what a couple of idiot commentators said about his good "hold up play" in the previous games he didn't do anything in this WC, it was a joke he made the team, etc., etc..

But I will say that if the US won that game it would have been the crime of the century. I don't think I've ever seen a game so 1-sided that was tied for 93 minutes.

And how much is JK praising God this morning that Green scored that good goal? Blunts any lingering criticism of the Golden Ticket.

SiteBomb621
Post #295
Wednesday July 2, 2014 4:03pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
Original post from TheTruth

+1. This World Cup was an overall success and I give JK some credit, but I'm ready for him to go. But I think we all know he's staying for a long time. He loves SoCal. Maybe he can do a switch with Arena.


I agree, he does love SoCal, and the bigger problem are the heads of the USSF. I can honestly say I'd take cleaning house with the USSF and keeping JK over keeping them both. I just don't see why so many people were that impressed and keep saying what until 2018.... well hell, what if we get in another group of Death, its the SAME scenario.....

logicoverall
Post #296
Wednesday July 2, 2014 4:07pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 222
I am willing to give JK the benefit of the doubt. We couldn't play attacking football against some of the best teams in the world, but at least we can now play that way against lesser opponents.

The best thing about JK's influence so far is the youth and talent he's uncovered and brought into the squad. You have to admit he's a much better recruiter and promoter than any of the previous head coaches. I think it will pay dividends by 2018, when he has much more technical talent, speed, and overall ability at his disposal on the roster. The real growth will probably occur after he's gone, but restructuring the way we develop players in this country will one day create a championship team.

You can promise attacking football all day, but if you don't have the personnel to pull it off, you have to do what you can. I think we all know JK was looking through this tournament to the 2018 cup all along. I'm excited for what the future holds. Expect a few games in which JK gives his veterans a curtain call, but then expect a new-look, exciting, young USA squad to take the reigns.

coverby
Post #297
Wednesday July 2, 2014 4:30pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 497
Original post from TheTruth

+1. This World Cup was an overall success and I give JK some credit, but I'm ready for him to go. But I think we all know he's staying for a long time. He loves SoCal. Maybe he can do a switch with Arena.


Haha you've got to be kidding. I don't want Arena back and I don't think many Americans do that remember him.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #298
Wednesday July 2, 2014 4:33pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 1,322
I'm so sick of this argument about JK promised us attacking football, but instead we look like we always have (defend and counter).

Didn't any of you guys see Twellman and the rest of the staff dismantle Lalas when he made that comment before the world cup (that he would be disappointed if we won every group stage match but did it with defend and counter football).

Look we do not have the personnel yet to play attacking football and win. The BEST chance we had of advancing in this tournament was defending and countering. ESPECIALLY once Altidore went out. Why? because our back 4 isn't good enough along with our DM to attack and rely on them to not allow chances. Belgium proved that. We attacked more in that game than we did all summer, and Howard faced an ONSLAUGHT of chances. Yeah Germany and Ghana had more possession, but not NEAR as many chances.

Sorry our best lineup this summer was not one that was built to attack. It's just not. Our attacking players are young and not ready and not as good as the guys we had starting. YET.

If we had played attacking football against Ghana, Germany then we would have been blown out both games, just like we would have against Belgium had Howard not had the greatest game ever.

I also don't think you can have a legit discussion about our style this world cup, without discussing how much the Altidore injury changed our tactics.

And no Donovan would not have made a difference. With his fitness/work ethic he would have wilted in 20' in South America.
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SiteBomb621
Post #299
Wednesday July 2, 2014 4:36pm

Joined Jan 2014
Total Posts: 176
Original post from USAGunner

I'm so sick of this argument about JK promised us attacking football, but instead we look like we always have (defend and counter).

Didn't any of you guys see Twellman and the rest of the staff dismantle Lalas when he made that comment before the world cup (that he would be disappointed if we won every group stage match but did it with defend and counter football).

Look we do not have the personnel yet to play attacking football and win. The BEST chance we had of advancing in this tournament was defending and countering. ESPECIALLY once Altidore went out. Why? because our back 4 isn't good enough along with our DM to attack and rely on them to not allow chances. Belgium proved that. We attacked more in that game than we did all summer, and Howard faced an ONSLAUGHT of chances. Yeah Germany and Ghana had more possession, but not NEAR as many chances.

Sorry our best lineup this summer was not one that was built to attack. It's just not. Our attacking players are young and not ready and not as good as the guys we had starting. YET.

If we had played attacking football against Ghana, Germany then we would have been blown out both games, just like we would have against Belgium had Howard not had the greatest game ever.

I also don't think you can have a legit discussion about our style this world cup, without discussing how much the Altidore injury changed our tactics.

And no Donovan would not have made a difference. With his fitness/work ethic he would have wilted in 20' in South America.


Does Donovan make or miss that shot if he is in the exact same position as Wondo?

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #300
Wednesday July 2, 2014 4:38pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,298
You all do realize that JK is not only the coach but the technical director as well? JK isn't going anywhere. And he shouldn't be going anywhere.

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