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mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #136
Wednesday June 18, 2014 1:27am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 190
Original post from skangles

I am in England and my colleague who knows nothing about either team asked me who would be the opening scorer and the final score.

I said Dempsey and 2-1. He placed a 10 quid bet on this and won 610. Needless to say I will be drinking for free for the rest of the week.


Frickin' AWESOME!!!

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #137
Wednesday June 18, 2014 2:09am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 190
I'm here with my steamin' hot bowl of crow and a spoon. I'll eat crow first, then discuss other stuff:

First spoonful: Brooks only messed up once, and made a lot of good plays and got us three points. (I had begrudgingly come around to accepting him as the 3rd choice CB, but said he was danger-prone, and I wished Goodson or Ream went to WC)
Second spoonful: I said a few different things about JK (but never that I fully doubted him). In a moment of pessimism, I said he was the wrong coach for us.
Third spoonful: Altidore is/was important to us, and not just because of center-forward formations.

Things I'll keep sayin':
-Don't know why no Boyd or Eddie Johnson if we need a like-for-like replacement for Altidore. Are we really so set without a target forward, after all the emphasis on it? Wondo and AJ are not good at target forward, and Dempsey is so-so and will be wasted at it. (I am not saying I think Eddie Johnson earned it as a top 20 US field player, just that we needed a like-for-like swap to fit the puzzle)
-JK didn't talk to the media (and thereby the American public) smartly before the WC started.
-Beaslely still the choice over Chandler at LB. I am not happy with our lack of choice, but there it is.

Post-game:
-Howard and Fabian Johnson looked fine overall, but both looked crap on the Ghana goal. Johnson lost his man by more than a little, and Howard got caught leaning when I would have rather seen him beat back post, than front post and near him.

-Hopefully the USMNT was not over-trained, as feared by many here.

-Ghana did not "dominate us", but a better team would have beat us by several. If Ghana is going to pass and cross that poorly, it's ok to let them keep passing and crossing, and take away what they wanted, which was us either A) overextending ourselves and getting countered, or B) over-pressuring and losing 1v1 battles on a direct attack. We still beat the worldwide betting line, we're not going to look elegant most of the time we do that.
-The temperature and humidity made both teams look like crap.
-How in the hell is there not a ruckus about the no-card, no-foul on Boye for kicking Dempsey in the face? I'll contend that there is a 0% chance that that kick was both accidental and not careless/reckless enough for a foul, let alone a caution. And it may very well have been deliberate. There's nothing to suggest that his leg had to go that high, mechanically-speaking.
http://www.espnfc.us/fifa-world-cup/4/video/1...
Dempsey leads with his arm, sure; but because Dempsey fouled a little, Boye gets to kick him in the face and act like it was because of the contact?

cudevil
Post #138
Wednesday June 18, 2014 3:38am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 197
mmee-Agree on a lot of your points.

A more imaginative attacking team probably leads to a different result. Eleventy billion over hit crosses aren't dangerous.

Not going to sweat Howard getting beat "near post". The guy was 8 yards out with a great angle to do whatever he wants. Credit to the Ghanaian-I think using the outside of his boot fooled Timmy.

Definitely agree that the no call/no card was puzzling. An overhead kick that results in a broken nose is at the very least a dangerous play.

This game really showed how critical Jozy is in this set up. We could get by without him if we had some more creative, possession oriented midfielders.

4bc
North Carolina
Post #139
Wednesday June 18, 2014 4:37am

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 23
Well Said.

We were rocked by heat and injuries that destroyed game-planning yet held strong and pulled victory out of what should have been a pile of ashes. Anyone who doesn't think that's the headline here has sadly missed something truly amazing.

mmee
Culver City, CA
Post #140
Wednesday June 18, 2014 6:46am

Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts: 190
Original post from cudevil
Definitely agree that the no call/no card was puzzling. An overhead kick that results in a broken nose is at the very least a dangerous play.


And who did Dempsey beat for his goal? Boye.

USAGunner
West Palm Beach
Post #141
Wednesday June 18, 2014 1:11pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 167
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Awful is a bad choice of words. He had a lot to do with the buildup that led to the GW goal for Brooks. He was on an island the whole game, not exactly ideal for a striker. I can't put that much blame on him when we couldn't possess the ball. Again, like I said, this is was the same issue when Jozy couldn't score for us too.


I said it wasn't completely his fault, he was out of position (in terms of what he was being asked to do).

Awful is a great choice of words. We couldn't possess the ball. VERY TRUE. But one of the main reason's for that was Aron's hold up play. He got abused any time he touched the ball and every time except for once (the build up to the goal) the ball was taken from him. Most often like a bodybuilder taking candy from a 5 year old.

If we ask Aron to play as a hold up forward again, we'll get smashed. If Jozy can't go (almost assured of this) then we will need to get some better possession type midfielders on the field to help in attack (and thus attack a lot differently). Diskelrud and Zusi will need to play with Aron.
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Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #142
Wednesday June 18, 2014 1:56pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 268
Original post from richieJkulesaNY

Look, its the World Cup and at this point its all about the results. I cheered my ass off last night, but after the dust settled, I started to look ahead to Portugal. If we play like we did against Ghana, its going to be very difficult to get a result.

Also, last night was not what Klinsmann wanted from our team, as far as a gameplan goes.


I agree the win didn't look like anything Klinsmann promised or what everyone hoped to see from the team. I remember yelling at the TV about how we couldn't string 2 passes together. I still don't know if that was because of Ghana or us just being off, probably a bit of both. We simply didn't seem to hustle to the ball like I am used to seeing. We did execute our basic game plan on defense of stuffing up the middle and making them take outside shots. We do have to play much better to get a result vs Portugal. On a positive note it is good to see that Klinsmann will do whatever it takes to win, even play bunker ball if it has to be done. I was afraid we might get schooled 5-1 if we tried to run with Ghana.

MSantoine
Post #143
Wednesday June 18, 2014 4:59pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,948
Original post from USAGunner

I said it wasn't completely his fault, he was out of position (in terms of what he was being asked to do).

Awful is a great choice of words. We couldn't possess the ball. VERY TRUE. But one of the main reason's for that was Aron's hold up play. He got abused any time he touched the ball and every time except for once (the build up to the goal) the ball was taken from him. Most often like a bodybuilder taking candy from a 5 year old.

If we ask Aron to play as a hold up forward again, we'll get smashed. If Jozy can't go (almost assured of this) then we will need to get some better possession type midfielders on the field to help in attack (and thus attack a lot differently). Diskelrud and Zusi will need to play with Aron.


One other thing about Aron was not even about his hold up play. The couple (only 2-3 times I can recall) time he recieved the ball from a potential quick counter he didnt seem to know when to attack the fullbacks and when to pull back and regroup. He turned it over every time killing a potential counter attack and potential scoring opprotunity. Thats the kinds of plays he needs to be better at

TheTruth
Post #144
Wednesday June 18, 2014 5:35pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 221
Not that I don't think Howard is one of the best goalies in the world, but it's funny that he's now been beat near post twice in a row by Ghana.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #145
Thursday June 19, 2014 2:17pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 879
Nah, Aron will be fine as long as we don't sit back in the diamond. We were solid in the first 25 minutes because we attacked as a team. Then when Ghana scored and we attacked as a team again, Aron was a key component. He also created at least 1, if not two scoring chances in the first half.

None of our forwards, and that includes Jozy, will be successful up top if left alone.

Mojofc
Post #146
Sunday June 22, 2014 2:17am

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 665
Uhhhh, USA highlights against Ghana:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dPhroNXrxvw&fea...

Might not quite be like we remembered it.
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