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MSantoine
Post #91
Friday July 18, 2014 4:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from 2tone

Some might, but not all.

The point is that MLS will continue to put players on the USMNT roster.

The lowest number of MLS(in the MLS era) players on a USMNT WC roster team was in 2010 with 4.

MLS is surpassing all of the Scandinavian leagues and the Scottish Premier league which accumulated those leagues put in 4 players on that 2010 team.

In 2014 one Scandinavian based player made the WC team e.g Mix.

Point being I see at least 4 players from MLS making the 2018 WC roster.


In fact of the last 4 world cups, only the 2010 world cup team had less than 10 MLS guys. I think we are two cycles away from being a UCL caliber based national team. I think 2018 will still be a mix of mid level euro guys, high level mls guys, and maybe 1-4 UCL caliber guys. Then 2018 will be like 15-18 UCL caliber guys and the rest mid/high level euro guys and maybe 1-4 MLS guys. This is likely still a cycle where even if the young guys go to europe they probably won't be starters right away. It may come down to MLS all-stars, who've been usmnt performers vs unproven young guys one last time.

I'd set the over/under for MLS guys at 5.5 for 2018 and 2.5 for 2022

TheTruth
Post #92
Friday July 18, 2014 5:10pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 247
I'll take the over. I think your way off for 2022. Two opposing forces at work: Yes, US players will continue to get more opportunities in Europe because a. Our players are getting better; and b. our international results continue to slowly shift the bias against US players.

BUT, MLS will continue to get better. Not necessarily predicting this, but I think it's possible MLS is a top 10 league in the world in 2022. Plenty of moving parts here so hard to predict. But if we continue to grow the TV ratings and the Benjamins follow, then the skill levels follow. I guess the mid term goal is to become as good as the Dutch league. Not sure how many of Holland's WC players came directly from the Dutch league (and if MLS does become as good as the Dutch league then surely the USMNT would have MORE players from MLS due to the US being 3K miles from Europe vs. Holland being in Europe). Geography matters.

I'm one of the biggest Euro soccer snobs you'll find, but I'm starting to turn a little. Based entirely on the facts. US players are just flat out getting better.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #93
Friday July 18, 2014 5:33pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,021
10 of Hollands players came from the Eredivisie.

Cilessen, Janmaat, Indi, De Vrij, Blind, Veltman, Kongolo, Wijnaldum, Clasie, Depay.

dunlopp9987
Post #94
Friday July 18, 2014 5:44pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 1,201
Original post from 2tone

10 of Hollands players came from the Eredivisie.

Cilessen, Janmaat, Indi, De Vrij, Blind, Veltman, Kongolo, Wijnaldum, Clasie, Depay.


Not to mention that almost all of the squad who doesn't play in the Eredivisie RIGHT NOW, started in that league. Van Persie, Sneijder, Robben, Vlaar, Huntelaar, etc.

I would love to see that the majority of our 2022 squad is either plying their trade in the MLS, or got their start in MLS. That would be the true sign that MLS is working.
COYB!!
MSantoine
Post #95
Friday July 18, 2014 5:48pm

Joined Nov 2012
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One main difference betwen the Dutch league and MLS right now, and hopefully is what will change in the next two cycles is development. You mention the Eredivisie. For the most part the Domestic leaguers for the Dutch league were all young "starlets" (ie already being chased by big euro clubs) 7 of the 10 are 23 or younger. Compare that with us using MLS, only 1 of 10 was under 25. The Eredivise guys that made the world cup are all going to be heading to UCL teams this year or next (barring injury). You cant say that about the MLS guys

IntheLou
Post #96
Friday July 18, 2014 6:12pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 9
Original post from MSantoine

One main difference betwen the Dutch league and MLS right now, and hopefully is what will change in the next two cycles is development. You mention the Eredivisie. For the most part the Domestic leaguers for the Dutch league were all young "starlets" (ie already being chased by big euro clubs) 7 of the 10 are 23 or younger. Compare that with us using MLS, only 1 of 10 was under 25. The Eredivise guys that made the world cup are all going to be heading to UCL teams this year or next (barring injury). You cant say that about the MLS guys


That's a great point. Our national league players on the MNT are veterans used to plug gaps among our talented, young Europeans. That is why our good performance in the WC will not likely lead to many new chances for our young guys to go to top clubs. Only Yedlin and Besler from MLS have a shot. Bradley is excepted, of course, as he is a special case. But Johnson, Cameron, Green, etc. are already in Europe in top level systems.

Jzaval01
Post #97
Sunday July 20, 2014 12:15am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,542
Yedlin move to roma is dead but still has othe Seria A teams interested
http://www.noshortcorners.com/2014/07/and-now...

MSantoine
Post #98
Sunday July 20, 2014 1:30am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 2,184
Original post from Jzaval01

Yedlin move to roma is dead but still has othe Seria A teams interested
http://www.noshortcorners.com/2014/07/and-now...


That stinks. Although the article mentions Napoli and inter are both interested as well. Seems like he wants to go to Italy now, not finish the year in mls.

Jzaval01
Post #99
Friday August 1, 2014 2:56pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,542
http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/stoke-d...

Cameron was way wayyy better then Bardsley last season imo
Defending 1 on 1 and getting up the field into the attack
Also just realized that if Geoff Cameron can go from Houston to Stoke and become a starter quickly at age 27-28 why couldnt besler who is the USMNT best defender go to Europe and start quickly. Prob more a problem of the money he was offered .

Rey Regicide
Post #100
Friday August 1, 2014 3:19pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 290
Speaking of Silly lol, SToke Signed Bojan, former Barcelona product.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #101
Friday August 1, 2014 3:47pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,021
Rumors that Agudelo could be joining Roma. Juan tweeting yesterday that something amazing is going to happen. Stay tuned. Could be the American that Roma has been saying they are going to sign.

Pretty good landing spot if it happens. Roma kind of lack true strikers. They have Borriello and Destro. Neither really have lit things up for Roma the past few years.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #102
Friday August 1, 2014 3:53pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 942
Original post from 2tone

Rumors that Agudelo could be joining Roma. Juan tweeting yesterday that something amazing is going to happen. Stay tuned. Could be the American that Roma has been saying they are going to sign.

Pretty good landing spot if it happens. Roma kind of lack true strikers. They have Borriello and Destro. Neither really have lit things up for Roma the past few years.


I love twitter. Would like to see this happen.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #103
Friday August 1, 2014 3:56pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 5,021
Greg Seltzer also reporting that Sporting CP in Portugal have made some introductory calls to Agudelo and his reps. He could play with Freddy Montero if he moves to Sporting.

EKneezy
Post #104
Friday August 1, 2014 4:41pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,837
Agudelo at Roma, Sporting, wherever...although that Roma movr would be top notch.

Jzaval01
Post #105
Friday August 1, 2014 5:43pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,542
As long as he gets playing time its all good

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