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Post #76
Thursday July 17, 2014 4:18pm

Joined Dec 2013
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Original post from SiteBomb621

Just read an article that JK has known about AJ's apparent bad ankle injury well before the USMNT camp even took place. How can you preach being 100% fit and then bring someone who is not on all cylinders? I hate JK so much lol.. he makes the oddest decisions and the US still praises every thing he does grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....


Yeah, love him or hate him, you gotta admit Klinsy is a strange one. . .

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #77
Thursday July 17, 2014 4:28pm

Joined Jul 2013
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The problem with Besler staying at MLS is getting passed by Brooks for 2018. Brooks being young and improving naturally while playing in Germany is going to surpass a stagnant Besler in MLS. I don't see both of them as the starting CBs. It will be 1 or the other at LCB much like in Brazil.
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MSantoine
Post #78
Thursday July 17, 2014 5:06pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from recycledhumans

Who do we really see as being ready and able to overtake him in the pool by then? I'm not saying we don't have good talent coming up, but unless Besler (I expect Gonzo will) loses a step or two in pace a la Gooch, I don't see anyone supplanting that starting spot. Unlike Boca, he and even Gonzo won't be quite as old...


How about O'Neil or EPB. If both become/stay first teamers in MLS then I could see either of them over taking Besler. Or say EPB transfers to Juventus next season. Say by 2017 he's making there game day squad and getting some appearances. You telling me a Juvuntus guy would not be chosen over a MLS guy? By Jurgen? Packwood would also be in the running if he gets to the EPL in the next year or two (whether its through promotion or transfer).

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #79
Thursday July 17, 2014 5:51pm

Joined Jul 2013
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Original post from MSantoine

How about O'Neil or EPB. If both become/stay first teamers in MLS then I could see either of them over taking Besler. Or say EPB transfers to Juventus next season. Say by 2017 he's making there game day squad and getting some appearances. You telling me a Juvuntus guy would not be chosen over a MLS guy? By Jurgen? Packwood would also be in the running if he gets to the EPL in the next year or two (whether its through promotion or transfer).


+1 this.

Anyone want to set an over/under on # of MLS players on the 2018 23? Jurgen did it out of necessity this year. I can see Michael Bradley might be the lone representative.
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2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #80
Thursday July 17, 2014 6:10pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from snipes87

+1 this.

Anyone want to set an over/under on # of MLS players on the 2018 23? Jurgen did it out of necessity this year. I can see Michael Bradley might be the lone representative.


Actually I could potentially see quite a few MLS players on the roster in 2018. Here is a list of potentials:

GK: Hamid, Sean John, Irwin
Defense: Hedges, O'Neil, Klute, EPB, Acosta, Farrell, Redding, Turner, Zimmerman
CM's: Bradley, Powers, Kitchen, Trapp, Gil, Nguyen, Joya
Attackers: Bruin, McInerney, Zardes, Dempsey, Manneh, Nagbe, Rowe, Shipp, Morris, Jamieson IV, Hurtado, Jordan Allen

I am sure there will be other players that emerge in the next few years from MLS.

dunlopp9987
Post #81
Thursday July 17, 2014 6:20pm

Joined Mar 2013
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Original post from 2tone

Actually I could potentially see quite a few MLS players on the roster in 2018. Here is a list of potentials:

GK: Hamid, Sean John, Irwin
Defense: Hedges, O'Neil, Klute, EPB, Acosta, Farrell, Redding, Turner, Zimmerman
CM's: Bradley, Powers, Kitchen, Trapp, Gil, Nguyen, Joya
Attackers: Bruin, McInerney, Zardes, Dempsey, Manneh, Nagbe, Rowe, Shipp, Morris, Jamieson IV, Hurtado, Jordan Allen

I am sure there will be other players that emerge in the next few years from MLS.


I think the point he was trying to make was that even though these guys are MLS right now, by 2018, the majority of them might have moved on to Europe. If they are really as talented as you say they are, the allure of playing in Europe (not to mention the $$$)will bring them overseas. Sure MLS is making progress, but I can't see them competing to keep some of these guys in a few years if big European clubs come calling.
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admsghs27
Post #82
Thursday July 17, 2014 6:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Are any of those guys seriously good enough to make USA a contender to win the WC in 2018 ??? Who knows maybe a few.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #83
Thursday July 17, 2014 7:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
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I agree with MSantoine that we do have great options coming up, but whether or not JK is going to pick them over Besler who he knows well is the point I'm contending.

MLS is probably not going to be as well represented in 2018 as they were in 2014 on the USMNT, but I think that will have more to do with the league itself becoming more open to letting top talent go abroad. We should have much more ability to create homegrown players by then and letting promising American talent go try their hand at European football only makes sense unless they're going to restructure the league to allow for USMNT players to not count against the cap or some other similar move.

The quality of the league is obviously improving, so MLS almost certainly won't be shut out in the 2018 cycle.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #84
Thursday July 17, 2014 8:40pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,450
Original post from dunlopp9987

I think the point he was trying to make was that even though these guys are MLS right now, by 2018, the majority of them might have moved on to Europe. If they are really as talented as you say they are, the allure of playing in Europe (not to mention the $$$)will bring them overseas. Sure MLS is making progress, but I can't see them competing to keep some of these guys in a few years if big European clubs come calling.


Some might, but not all.

The point is that MLS will continue to put players on the USMNT roster.

The lowest number of MLS(in the MLS era) players on a USMNT WC roster team was in 2010 with 4.

MLS is surpassing all of the Scandinavian leagues and the Scottish Premier league which accumulated those leagues put in 4 players on that 2010 team.

In 2014 one Scandinavian based player made the WC team e.g Mix.

Point being I see at least 4 players from MLS making the 2018 WC roster.

kernn63
Post #85
Thursday July 17, 2014 9:28pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 298
How many 14-18 year olds do you guys think we have in overseas academies? How many overall to include MLS? That number has to be ridiculously higher than 5 years ago when many MLS academies were first getting started.

admsghs27
Post #86
Thursday July 17, 2014 9:50pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from kernn63

How many 14-18 year olds do you guys think we have in overseas academies? How many overall to include MLS? That number has to be ridiculously higher than 5 years ago when many MLS academies were first getting started.


In the upper Hundreds we have players playing in academies World wide. Remember we have a huge amount in Mexico alone. Of course most are Mexican Americans. We also have a good amount in South America. I saw a list a while back of close to 500 players between the ages of 12-18 playing outside of USA. I'm sure that list has grown and continues to grow daily. If i can find the website I will post it.

hamsamwich
Post #87
Thursday July 17, 2014 10:14pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 3,212
Regarding Besler and Brooks playing together, Im not sure what the problem is. If our two best CBs are left footed, right footed, whatever, the best two should play. Or perhaps we enter an era using alternately 2 or 3 cbs... Point is the best should play always.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #88
Friday July 18, 2014 2:40pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,467
Original post from hamsamwich

Regarding Besler and Brooks playing together, Im not sure what the problem is. If our two best CBs are left footed, right footed, whatever, the best two should play. Or perhaps we enter an era using alternately 2 or 3 cbs... Point is the best should play always.


Fair point, even though we know JK's proclivity for playing both as the LCB and doesn't seem to be close to changing that.

kernn63
Post #89
Friday July 18, 2014 3:25pm

Joined Feb 2013
Total Posts: 298
Original post from admsghs27

In the upper Hundreds we have players playing in academies World wide. Remember we have a huge amount in Mexico alone. Of course most are Mexican Americans. We also have a good amount in South America. I saw a list a while back of close to 500 players between the ages of 12-18 playing outside of USA. I'm sure that list has grown and continues to grow daily. If i can find the website I will post it.


Thanks sir. yeah, if you come up with that, it would be cool to see.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #90
Friday July 18, 2014 4:03pm

Joined Jul 2013
Total Posts: 893
Original post from dunlopp9987

I think the point he was trying to make was that even though these guys are MLS right now, by 2018, the majority of them might have moved on to Europe. If they are really as talented as you say they are, the allure of playing in Europe (not to mention the $$$)will bring them overseas. Sure MLS is making progress, but I can't see them competing to keep some of these guys in a few years if big European clubs come calling.


Thanks dunlopp. And I wasn't really thinking about keepers since Guzan will be the starter and not MLS. I would say 2018 can beat the 2010 number of 4. But there will be a 2018 verson of Yedlin who will surprise make the squad I'm sure. Or Jozy pulling a Clint/MB and coming back.
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