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2tone
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Post #16
Monday May 19, 2014 3:41pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 9,633
Brazil is mine.

They could very well get knocked out in the round of 16. If that happens then I wouldn't want to be any where in Brasil. The protests that will already be going on; could potentially get very emotional and violent if Brasil get knocked out early.

MSantoine
Post #17
Monday May 19, 2014 4:07pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from 2tone

Brazil is mine.

They could very well get knocked out in the round of 16. If that happens then I wouldn't want to be any where in Brasil. The protests that will already be going on; could potentially get very emotional and violent if Brasil get knocked out early.


I would be on the next plane out of Brazil if that happens.

chillguy1992
Post #18
Monday May 19, 2014 10:03pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 1,118
France I think they are in a tougher group then people think. Switzerland and Ecuador both could finish above france. Also the collective mentality of the french team when things start going wrong doesnt bode well if they fall behind. To all those pointing to coming back against Ukraine. Ukraine was horrific in the second leg in france. England and France would probably be my most likely pick. With Portugal and Holland next in line. The least likely team to fail is Argentina in my opinion easy group not too hard of a round of 16 matchup possible.

BG6
Post #19
Tuesday May 20, 2014 12:29am

Joined May 2014
Total Posts: 74
Original post from MSantoine

I don't think of Portugal as a world power. They are a perennial under achiever. In the last 7 world cups Portugal has made it to the knockout round only twice and made only one quarterfinal. As much as people want to hate on England in that span the only time they didn't make the knockout round was '94 when they didn't qualify. Last time England qualified and didn't advance past the first round when they qualified for a World Cup was 1950!!! So I'd say them not advancing would be historic since it's been almost 70 years since that happened


After years of lurking, this is the post that finally sent me over the edge to sign up. Did you really just call Portugal perennial underachievers and then to make your point contrast their performances to the ultimate underachieving country in England? Allow me to help with your comparisons: England has 1 World Cup 1966 and 1 semifinal appearance I believe in 1990, that is it that's all nothing since 1990. Portugal after an admittedly long absence from the international stage with any significance began the new era in 2000 Euros where the reached the semis, following a simply dreadful performance in 2002 World Cup They were in the finals of 2004 Euros and the semifinals of 2006 world cup. The lost to Spain in 2010 world cup and 2012 semis of Euros. I believe in a few of those tournaments they beat England. Not that it is hard to do but relative to England, Portugal is a world power in that time. Consider as well England has 53 mio people compared to 10.5 mio and it makes even more impressive the run of form Portugal is on comparatively. (See I can pick and chose what history I want to discuss as well.)

Look I get that English soccer has appeal for folks here and there are some great English players. Much of US soccer has been based upon the English "style" of play (whether that is good or bad is another story) and there is also a cultural & historical element in our relationship with England. In addition, the Premier League is the most well-marketed, accessible in terms of coverage and highest paying of any league. (And to some that automatically makes it the best league, we all have our opinions and can spout whatever sort of useless statistics we want to back that our belief in that up).

navi8132
New York
Post #20
Tuesday May 20, 2014 1:42am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 2,971
You spent years just lurking and observing?

admsghs27
Post #21
Tuesday May 20, 2014 1:54am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Original post from navi8132

You spent years just lurking and observing?

I kinda did the same lol. Not lurking but checking out the site for about a year or so for info then I decided to join eventually.

MSantoine
Post #22
Tuesday May 20, 2014 2:13am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from BG6

After years of lurking, this is the post that finally sent me over the edge to sign up. Did you really just call Portugal perennial underachievers and then to make your point contrast their performances to the ultimate underachieving country in England? Allow me to help with your comparisons: England has 1 World Cup 1966 and 1 semifinal appearance I believe in 1990, that is it that's all nothing since 1990. Portugal after an admittedly long absence from the international stage with any significance began the new era in 2000 Euros where the reached the semis, following a simply dreadful performance in 2002 World Cup They were in the finals of 2004 Euros and the semifinals of 2006 world cup. The lost to Spain in 2010 world cup and 2012 semis of Euros. I believe in a few of those tournaments they beat England. Not that it is hard to do but relative to England, Portugal is a world power in that time. Consider as well England has 53 mio people compared to 10.5 mio and it makes even more impressive the run of form Portugal is on comparatively. (See I can pick and chose what history I want to discuss as well.)

Look I get that English soccer has appeal for folks here and there are some great English players. Much of US soccer has been based upon the English "style" of play (whether that is good or bad is another story) and there is also a cultural & historical element in our relationship with England. In addition, the Premier League is the most well-marketed, accessible in terms of coverage and highest paying of any league. (And to some that automatically makes it the best league, we all have our opinions and can spout whatever sort of useless statistics we want to back that our belief in that up).


Thanks for joining the board but wish you had a better first post. Maybe they'll get better. First off I don't care about euro success. It's a different tournement. Much less scrutiny until the last 2. Much easier to advance. Here's a comparison of the two nations in world cups.

2010- both lost in first knockout match
2006-Portugal made semis. England lost in QF in pks to Portugal. So England was a random crap shoot from the semis.
2002-England lost in QF to eventual champion Brazil. Portugal didn't make it out of the group
1998- England lost pks to Argentina. Portugal didn't qualify
1994- neither qualified

So in the last 20 years Portugal had one World Cup where they won a knockout round. If not for pks England would be on a run like Germany. England made 4 knockout rounds. Portugal 2. Yet people always talk about the golden era of Portugal and how they've arrived. England has been in the downslope for 20 years but they still make the knockout round every tourney.

Would I pick England to win this World Cup. No chance. But I'd pick them over Portugal. You can't argue that a nation isn't a world power when it always makes knockout rounds and is one of only 8 countries to win a World Cup.

admsghs27
Post #23
Tuesday May 20, 2014 3:37am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 6,060
Currently and the past 20 yrs or so Portugal has been better than England. I would rather have England in our group than Portugal, it would make it easier for USA.

TheTruth
Post #24
Tuesday May 20, 2014 5:40am

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 950
Yo, new guy? Thanks for finally sticking it to some of the nonsense you see on here. I love the recent post by Mr. Volume where he admitted that he didn't know much about soccer and yet he continues to blather on. The shit that's on here is just incredible.

To say Portugal is a perennial underachiever vs. England is just plain retarded and it can be clearly refuted by the facts. And I love the counter where he tries to equate performance in 94 & 98 w/ more recent results. Not to mention the Euros. That's by far the most serious tournament after the WC.

dolcem
Post #25
Tuesday May 20, 2014 6:54am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,786
Original post from TheTruth

Yo, new guy? Thanks for finally sticking it to some of the nonsense you see on here. I love the recent post by Mr. Volume where he admitted that he didn't know much about soccer and yet he continues to blather on. The shit that's on here is just incredible.


I'm glad you think about me enough to write about me in other threads. I never claimed I "didn't know much about soccer," I just claimed that I didn't know enough to coach the team. But that's certainly more than you do-I actually watched the sport before the last World Cup.
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MSantoine
Post #26
Tuesday May 20, 2014 1:12pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,723
Original post from TheTruth

Yo, new guy? Thanks for finally sticking it to some of the nonsense you see on here. I love the recent post by Mr. Volume where he admitted that he didn't know much about soccer and yet he continues to blather on. The shit that's on here is just incredible.

To say Portugal is a perennial underachiever vs. England is just plain retarded and it can be clearly refuted by the facts. And I love the counter where he tries to equate performance in 94 & 98 w/ more recent results. Not to mention the Euros. That's by far the most serious tournament after the WC.


What World Cup facts are you using. The fact Portugal rarely makes it past the group stage or the one that England always does?

tjknowsall
Post #27
Tuesday May 20, 2014 1:12pm

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 366
yooooo guys tone it down... no need to be taking shots at each other we are on the same team. Everyone can have their opinion. personally on the england vs portugal front i think its pretty even. Yes Portugal has had the best players with figo and ronaldo, but England has had a better team/ depth. They play very different style and when htey matchup its a good game. Would I rather face Portugal or England? Honestly I dont really care. England is more difficult to break down, but Portugal is deadly on the counter. So, both are great footballing nations, and I think that if they played each other 10 times it would be pretty even. And Portugal are not underachievers, they are very small country compared to some of the world footballing powers, and in the last 25 years developed the game to where it is now, which is a top 10 team. Is England regressing? maybe, but look at some of the young players coming up for them

richieJkulesaNY
Post #28
Tuesday May 20, 2014 3:23pm

Joined Jun 2012
Total Posts: 1,016
I personally don't care about this topic, but you cannot discredit the Euro's. Its arguably a tougher tournament than the World Cup and its certainly more difficult to escape group play. Carry on.

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