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MSantoine
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Sunday May 18, 2014 6:01pm

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With the recent injuries to Germany I decided to take another look at all the groups and started thinking which perennial quarter finalist (Spain, holland, England, Argentina, Italy, France, Brazil, Germany) has the highest chance of failing to make it out of the group stage. I think even with the German injuries that England and Netherlands are two countries/medias/fan bases that could be in some trouble come June. Both are paired with another European power (Italy and Spain) and both have a good South American team in their group (Uruguay and chile) that know how to advance at the World Cup. Both groups also have two of the weakest teams in the field ( Costa Rica and Australia) which means better chance for Uruguay and/or chile to gain three points. Italy could be in some trouble for the same reasons as England I just don't see a scenario where England tops Italy.

There's always one or two surprise flameouts in a World Cup, France and Italy last year, Serbia and Argentina before that. I think holland and England could be the teams this year.

tjknowsall
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Sunday May 18, 2014 6:37pm

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holland and england would not be that big of a surprise... england is projected 3rd, and many people are picking chile to beat an underwelming dutch side. Now I think the surprise will be portugal or germany, and im not saying because of the USA. I think the winner of the Ghana USA game will advance. World cups are strange like u said. I also think that while u didnt list them and they are not usually considered a "world power" that belgium is going to struggle against an underrated Russia and South Korea team

admsghs27
Post #3
Sunday May 18, 2014 7:37pm

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USA.

Jzaval01
Post #4
Sunday May 18, 2014 8:02pm

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I think Germany could fail due to too much on there back in terms of the pressure that they need to win the world cup. Also the fact that injuries are screwing with their lines up in and out and the fact for the injuries themselves can be costly.

MSantoine
Post #5
Sunday May 18, 2014 8:09pm

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Original post from admsghs27

USA.


USA has won one knockout round game in over 60'years. As much as you want to love USA you can't be serious if you think USA is a world power.

MSantoine
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Sunday May 18, 2014 8:24pm

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Original post from tjknowsall

holland and england would not be that big of a surprise... england is projected 3rd, and many people are picking chile to beat an underwelming dutch side. Now I think the surprise will be portugal or germany, and im not saying because of the USA. I think the winner of the Ghana USA game will advance. World cups are strange like u said. I also think that while u didnt list them and they are not usually considered a "world power" that belgium is going to struggle against an underrated Russia and South Korea team


I don't think of Portugal as a world power. They are a perennial under achiever. In the last 7 world cups Portugal has made it to the knockout round only twice and made only one quarterfinal. As much as people want to hate on England in that span the only time they didn't make the knockout round was '94 when they didn't qualify. Last time England qualified and didn't advance past the first round when they qualified for a World Cup was 1950!!! So I'd say them not advancing would be historic since it's been almost 70 years since that happened

admsghs27
Post #7
Sunday May 18, 2014 8:44pm

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Original post from MSantoine

I don't think of Portugal as a world power. They are a perennial under achiever. In the last 7 world cups Portugal has made it to the knockout round only twice and made only one quarterfinal. As much as people want to hate on England in that span the only time they didn't make the knockout round was '94 when they didn't qualify. Last time England qualified and didn't advance past the first round when they qualified for a World Cup was 1950!!! So I'd say them not advancing would be historic since it's been almost 70 years since that happened


Portugal made the semis 2006. Lost 1/0 to France on a zidane penalty.

MSantoine
Post #8
Sunday May 18, 2014 9:33pm

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Original post from admsghs27

Portugal made the semis 2006. Lost 1/0 to France on a zidane penalty.


And that's the only time in 50 years they won a knockout round game. Call me crazy but I think you need more than 1 successful World Cup run in 50 years to be a world power

admsghs27
Post #9
Sunday May 18, 2014 11:01pm

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USA has a third place finish.

admsghs27
Post #10
Sunday May 18, 2014 11:02pm

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I predicted Spain won't get out of group stage. Idk wht you mean by failure by a power team, Not getting out of group stage ? or just not winning the WC ? or losing in the 2nd round ?

hamsamwich
Post #11
Monday May 19, 2014 4:00am

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The dutch will not make it out of group B. England goes home early from Group D. Colombia and Germany as seeded teams will either come in second in their groups, or third; trouble ahead for those two teams as well.

snipes87
Cleveland, Ohio
Post #12
Monday May 19, 2014 2:55pm

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I have Portugal (Germany/Ghana), Netherlands (Spain/Chile), England (Italy/ Uruguay) going home early.
If you don't love it, leave it, USA #1
Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #13
Monday May 19, 2014 3:07pm

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When did the US finish 3rd?

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #14
Monday May 19, 2014 3:08pm

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1930? haha

MSantoine
Post #15
Monday May 19, 2014 3:37pm

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Original post from admsghs27

I predicted Spain won't get out of group stage. Idk wht you mean by failure by a power team, Not getting out of group stage ? or just not winning the WC ? or losing in the 2nd round ?


I think most would consider failing to make the knockout round a failure. Of course this particular world cup im sure if Spain, Brazil, Germany don't make at least the QF if not further they'll internally consider it a failure but there's so much luck involved with a one off from bad matchup, to PKs, to blown ref call that I dont think making the knockout round and losing is a failure. It may be underachieving, or a poor world cup, but not a failure.

For instance I think most would say if Spain lost to Brazil or vice versa in the knockout stage it would be understandable. That could happen in 1st round of knockout round. Just because it happend in the 1st round and not the finals shouldnt change the fact that its not a bad loss by any means. An unfortunate break of the tourney yes, losing to Spain or host Brazil in a kockout round setting should not be called a failure by any means

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