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USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #46
Thursday April 24, 2014 4:32pm

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Original post from 2tone

That's your opinion. And really I could care less if "foreigners" laugh at my opinion about US players.

I am not going to change my opinion about MB90 because a "foreigner" laughs at my opinion.

It seems you're easily persuaded about what "foreigners" think.


General statement as it comes up often. I can care less what they think, all I need to do is watch both play, which I have extensively, more than anyone else here, and it's easy to say that Stevie G is world class and Bradley isn't. I love Bradley just as much as the next redblooded American but it doesn't mean I have to put on some THICK red and blue goggles on.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #47
Thursday April 24, 2014 5:28pm

Joined Jul 2012
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Original post from USnLFCfan

General statement as it comes up often. I can care less what they think, all I need to do is watch both play, which I have extensively, more than anyone else here, and it's easy to say that Stevie G is world class and Bradley isn't. I love Bradley just as much as the next redblooded American but it doesn't mean I have to put on some THICK red and blue goggles on.


Yet again that's your opinion. Mine is that Bradley is on the cusp of being World Class. Just because I have my opinion about Bradley doesn't mean I put on some THICK red, white, and blue goggles.

Just because you rate Stevie G as World Class doesn't mean you have THICK red goggles on.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #48
Thursday April 24, 2014 5:33pm

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We must all have different definitions of world class then. It's widely accepted that Stevie G is world class, managers across Europe agree to that. Never have I seen anyone but a few USMNT supporters say that Bradley is close.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #49
Thursday April 24, 2014 5:43pm

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Original post from USnLFCfan

We must all have different definitions of world class then. It's widely accepted that Stevie G is world class, managers across Europe agree to that. Never have I seen anyone but a few USMNT supporters say that Bradley is close.


Maybe because there is still a big bias towards American players. MB90 was consistently praised by Managers and the press in Holland and in Italy.

Does a player have to be accepted by the "European" elite in order to be considered a world class player?

I have never stsed that MB90 is already world class. I believe he is on the cusp. A really good World Cup could push him into the World Class level.

Players considered to be World Class:

Ronaldo. C

Rooney

Ibrahimovic

Messi

And yet Landon Donovan a player not to be considered World Class has more goals in WC play then those players combined. A true World Class player shines on the World stage.

Stevie G has played well on the World Stage scoring 3 goals total from the 2006 and 2010 WC's. 2014 will be has last WC.

MB90 was one of the USMNT's best players at the 2010 WC. He has scored 1 goal, and has at least 2 more WC's in him 2014 and 2018. MB90 is "the" most important player for the USMNT. He has turned into a better version of Claudio Reyna IMO. He has Reyna's vision and passing, but is a much better box to box CM.

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #50
Thursday April 24, 2014 5:57pm

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Totally disagree. There are too many variables playing internationally, and while it does help a player's resume it should never be a true value of a player's standard. It has to be the right situation for a player to thrive. Donovan is lucky to be on a team that overall isn't too talented comparably and that the players are unselfish and allow Donovan to be the man. Not to mention that most teams specifically gameplan around those players....not so much the US.

TheTruth
Post #51
Thursday April 24, 2014 6:59pm

Joined Dec 2013
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Lando at his peak (which lasted years IMO) was a top 20 player in the world (in the context of his general wing/attacking/forward grouping). That's my story and I'm sticking to it. He just never got (or wanted, honestly) the opportunity to show it over multiple years for a Champions league club.

On another note, I'm happy to hear that Gerrard is looking like his old self. I'll take your word for it that he's injury free and as good as he was a few years ago.

richieJkulesaNY
Post #52
Thursday April 24, 2014 7:53pm

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Wait, so we all agree Bradley isnt world class, right?

_Dw_
Post #53
Thursday April 24, 2014 8:47pm

Joined Sep 2012
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Original post from USnLFCfan

Totally disagree. There are too many variables playing internationally, and while it does help a player's resume it should never be a true value of a player's standard. It has to be the right situation for a player to thrive. Donovan is lucky to be on a team that overall isn't too talented comparably and that the players are unselfish and allow Donovan to be the man. Not to mention that most teams specifically gameplan around those players....not so much the US.


Now this is just my opinion obviously but I do disagree with these comments. I think we can agree that the World Cup is the largest stage of all. Players are highly rated on their ability to come up "clutch" during the big stage. This goes for all sports as well. I think it is a huge factor. When you say "not so much *with/for* the US", I am assuming that you are referring to international competition. I don't see how teams would not gameplan for the US when they are playing international competition.

tjknowsall
Post #54
Thursday April 24, 2014 9:08pm

Joined May 2013
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i believe alain traore is a world class player. he is from burkina faso... no one really knows him that well because of injuries but he was linked to some bpl teams. his brother is a starlet for chelsea on loan. this guy is world class but no one talks about him... does that mean he is not? no. is bradley world class? maybe. i think the world cup might distinguish his world class qualities about him. btw for all of u who dont know traore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1g0xpdWl_k

the last few goals are absolute beauts...

USnLFCfan
Savannah GA
Post #55
Thursday April 24, 2014 9:10pm

Joined Nov 2012
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Original post from _Dw_

Now this is just my opinion obviously but I do disagree with these comments. I think we can agree that the World Cup is the largest stage of all. Players are highly rated on their ability to come up "clutch" during the big stage. This goes for all sports as well. I think it is a huge factor. When you say "not so much *with/for* the US", I am assuming that you are referring to international competition. I don't see how teams would not gameplan for the US when they are playing international competition.


Again, too many factors do downgrade or upgrade someone to/from world class status because of international play. The Champions league is nearly equally as important (if you listen to players that are in both), the only reason the World Cup is bigger is because of national pride. As far as gameplanning for the US sure, but he mentioned Ronaldo, Messi, Ibra, etc but they have teams game-planning specifically for them....players on the US can't say the same. Teams don't man-mark, double up, or overload a side to stop Donovan, Deuce, etc......they do for Ronaldo, Messi, Ibra, etc.

46and2
Post #56
Thursday April 24, 2014 10:32pm

Joined Dec 2012
Total Posts: 54
No idea why people are so obsessed with the "World Class" moniker.

Dempsey is clutch... does that make him world class? No, but he's a good player that comes up big, so I'll take him over quite a few others that are arguably more talented.

Donovan has been extremely talented his whole career and has shown it on every stage. I can understand arguing against him being considered world class, but to me, it's only an argument about what the term means. LD has always been a bit out there and introspective. If he was the single-minded driven type, he was talented enough to play for almost anyone. Again, there are more elite players, so it's just an argument about where the "World Class" cutoff is.

MB... I wouldn't call him world class, simply because the truly top central mids in the world are so ultra-talented. BUT, he can at least hold his own against any competition and is the most capable of controlling tempo for us against top competition, which makes everyone else better. In the right environment, I could see him earning that label, but not yet and I'm huge fan of his.

In peak form, Keller, Friedel and Howard have all been on a level that very few reach. Friedel in particular has been so consistently good for so long. Howard, on current form, is playing on an elite level.

As for the Gerrard discussion, I think the credit he should be given lies in the fact that he plays such a different style so effectively now. He went from marauding forward and bearing down on goal to holding, tackling and spraying an incredible range of passes from a deep position. World Class? I don't really care... the guy can ball.

Fraser31
Charleston, South Carolina
Post #57
Friday April 25, 2014 12:41am

Joined Sep 2012
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Thank you 46. That's pretty much how I feel.

EKneezy
Atlanta
Post #58
Friday April 25, 2014 12:53am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 3,160
That's spot on 46.

433
Post #59
Friday April 25, 2014 4:40am

Joined Apr 2014
Total Posts: 29
Youtube Gerrard's greatest goals. World class. Case closed.

Donovan, Dempsey, and MB90 are all solid, decent players. But their best does not match world class players' best. You can cherry pick stats or whine about a perceived anti-American bias all you want, but they're not in the same league (literally and figuratively) as Ibra, Messi, Suarez, Rooney, Gerrard, Ronaldo, Bale, Iniesta, etc.

2tone
Ten-Towns
Post #60
Friday April 25, 2014 5:52am

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 10,452
National teams game planned for Donovan, and he was still able to perform. What makes it even more impressive is the fact that Donovan was the player every manager knew they had to stop in order to successfully stop the USMNT for years, but he was still able to come up big in important games time and time again, even against the top teams.

People try to disregard Donovan because he didn't play with a big club in Europe, but what he has accomplished with the USMNT is quite amazing while playing in a "lesser" league.

The guy is a legend, period.

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