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433
Post #1
Wednesday April 16, 2014 7:18am

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If the USMNT was an EPL team, where do you think they'd finish? I think mid table.

I think Southampton (on their day) would beat the US. Man Utd even in their current poor season would crush the US. I think the US would lose to the Newcastle from the beginning of the year (with Cabaye and a healthy Remy) but would beat the toothless current squad. I actually think Stoke would beat the US, especially the way they've been playing lately. West Ham would probably be an ugly 1-1 draw with goals from set pieces. 9th or 10th seems fair.

Now what about Ghana, Portugal, or Germany?

(This hypothetical brought to you in the name of reasonable World Cup expectations)

Rey Regicide
Post #2
Wednesday April 16, 2014 2:25pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 290
Original post from 433

If the USMNT was an EPL team, where do you think they'd finish? I think mid table.

I think Southampton (on their day) would beat the US. Man Utd even in their current poor season would crush the US. I think the US would lose to the Newcastle from the beginning of the year (with Cabaye and a healthy Remy) but would beat the toothless current squad. I actually think Stoke would beat the US, especially the way they've been playing lately. West Ham would probably be an ugly 1-1 draw with goals from set pieces. 9th or 10th seems fair.

Now what about Ghana, Portugal, or Germany?

(This hypothetical brought to you in the name of reasonable World Cup expectations)


I know what you're trying to do, I understand. But I think the scenerio is more nuanced. Man united might field a fledgling team against United States because of cup ties, then there's the issues of hte mid day game after the weekend. The depth factor is the reason why teams have trailed off, like Arsenal after losing a couple pieces to injuries, USA just doesn't have that depth. But even in taking that in consideration Germany out weighs all because they can field two teams. But that's not what we're going into in facing the teams of the group. I agree on just the observation of talent and form alone, Germany is by far the distant no. 1. Portugal would have to get hot to overcome them but they are clearly better than Ghana, and we are of course last in the group.

That dynamic that portugal would need to overcome Germany is what we would need to basically be competitive, hit on all cylinders. So, to your point, I'm just glad we have to do this over two weeks as opposed to 38 =D

Kamphgruppe
Michigan
Post #3
Wednesday April 16, 2014 3:25pm

Joined Jul 2012
Total Posts: 277
Original post from 433

If the USMNT was an EPL team, where do you think they'd finish? I think mid table.

I think Southampton (on their day) would beat the US. Man Utd even in their current poor season would crush the US. I think the US would lose to the Newcastle from the beginning of the year (with Cabaye and a healthy Remy) but would beat the toothless current squad. I actually think Stoke would beat the US, especially the way they've been playing lately. West Ham would probably be an ugly 1-1 draw with goals from set pieces. 9th or 10th seems fair.

Now what about Ghana, Portugal, or Germany?

(This hypothetical brought to you in the name of reasonable World Cup expectations)


Your the guy I would leave on the team bus. I would even make you stay there when we were eating our victory dinner at Applebee's.

TheTruth
Post #4
Wednesday April 16, 2014 5:09pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 247
The top EPL teams would beat Ghana & Portugal too, you jackwagon. Look at their lineups. Stacked and not limited by accident of birth. Think about Barcelona and Real Madrid would beat Spain more often than not.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #5
Wednesday April 16, 2014 5:14pm

Joined Nov 2012
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If we were actually able to train and exist like a regular club team, with day-in-day-out training and lots of time to gain familiarity with your surrounding players, then we'd be pushing for a European spot...we've always functioned as a team rather than a collection of players, and we've seen that work very well for teams like Everton.

admsghs27
Post #6
Wednesday April 16, 2014 5:34pm

Joined Nov 2012
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This is a dumb thread. But if it did Germany will always finish in first place. They would hardly lose, run away with it like nothing.

Live490
Texas
Post #7
Wednesday April 16, 2014 5:39pm

Joined Mar 2013
Total Posts: 283
On point recycled humans, some of those epl teams suck and train day to day.. If the USA trained day to day, Id say 4-6.. With 23-28 players..

433
Post #8
Thursday April 17, 2014 6:01am

Joined Apr 2014
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Agreed that the best club teams are better than the best national teams.

Also agreed that club teams have more time to practice together and gel.

But I disagree that the USMNT would be on a par with Everton. Aside from Howard, who is essentially a push, which US players start ahead of their Everton equivalents? The only one I can think of is MB90 over Gareth Barry, and even that's debatable.

Whereas a team like Portugal has Ronaldo, Nani, Moutinho, Meireles, Carvalho, Pepe, etc. that all might find a place ahead of their Everton counterparts.

Rey Regicide
Post #9
Thursday April 17, 2014 1:26pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 290
Original post from 433

Agreed that the best club teams are better than the best national teams.

Also agreed that club teams have more time to practice together and gel.

But I disagree that the USMNT would be on a par with Everton. Aside from Howard, who is essentially a push, which US players start ahead of their Everton equivalents? The only one I can think of is MB90 over Gareth Barry, and even that's debatable.

Whereas a team like Portugal has Ronaldo, Nani, Moutinho, Meireles, Carvalho, Pepe, etc. that all might find a place ahead of their Everton counterparts.


Agree, unfortunately.

Rey Regicide
Post #10
Thursday April 17, 2014 1:33pm

Joined Sep 2013
Total Posts: 290
Original post from 433

Agreed that the best club teams are better than the best national teams.

Also agreed that club teams have more time to practice together and gel.

But I disagree that the USMNT would be on a par with Everton. Aside from Howard, who is essentially a push, which US players start ahead of their Everton equivalents? The only one I can think of is MB90 over Gareth Barry, and even that's debatable.

Whereas a team like Portugal has Ronaldo, Nani, Moutinho, Meireles, Carvalho, Pepe, etc. that all might find a place ahead of their Everton counterparts.


And just know that over a 3 game spell the variance of results is superhigh, the probability is still on the side of the top teams, germany portugal, but we have the punchers chance that we might get lucky. Over 38 games, it doesn't bode well for us. Alot of games for quality to win out.

recycledhumans
DFWTX
Post #11
Thursday April 17, 2014 2:38pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,153
Original post from 433

Agreed that the best club teams are better than the best national teams.

Also agreed that club teams have more time to practice together and gel.

But I disagree that the USMNT would be on a par with Everton. Aside from Howard, who is essentially a push, which US players start ahead of their Everton equivalents? The only one I can think of is MB90 over Gareth Barry, and even that's debatable.

Whereas a team like Portugal has Ronaldo, Nani, Moutinho, Meireles, Carvalho, Pepe, etc. that all might find a place ahead of their Everton counterparts.


I didn't equate them to Everton, I merely pointed to them as a model by which teams that don't have superstars can perform much better than they should on paper...

Obviously, I'd love to have players with the skill and consistency as the players from the Portuguese or German NTs, but until we start developing players of that caliber more often we'll have to make do with being a good squad first. By the time we get the place where we're banging out top tier talent regularly, our tactics will have gotten us into the top 10 in the world.

We have good players now, but with the exception of a few we don't have much by way of world class talent. We've always relied on the strength of the team, and hopefully always will...no single player should ever be too important to leave out if necessary.

TheTruth
Post #12
Thursday April 17, 2014 5:05pm

Joined Dec 2013
Total Posts: 247
For the first time in years I'll agree with adms - dumb thread. Shame on me for continuing to post. One more thing to add for you Everton lovers. . . Keep in mind lando was their player of the month ago on a brief loan spell. Think about that. Outta nowhere best player on the team without any training. Ah but you say lando today is not lando of 2 years ago. Yes but he's no longer the best player on the us not. Anyway stupid thread.

skangles
DC
Post #13
Thursday April 17, 2014 9:48pm

Joined Jan 2013
Total Posts: 1,967
Everton wanted Landon on loan again this year and Bruce said no. Not sure Landon wanted to go himself but Bruce was blamed.

dfw_fan
DfW
Post #14
Friday April 18, 2014 2:01am

Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts: 425
This thread is epitome of paralysis by "WASTEFUL" analysis.

admsghs27
Post #15
Friday April 18, 2014 2:36am

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,159
Stupidest Thread in YA History!!!
Is like England in MLS they wouldn't even be top 6 they would suck!

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