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TheTruth
Post #16
Tuesday April 8, 2014 9:24pm

Joined Dec 2013
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A lot of horseshit here as is often the case. First, Klinsmann loves living in SoCal so he ain't going nowhere. OK, maybe he moves into a different role if we go pointless. Second, even if we are routed in the WC there would be a ton of guys lining up to coach the team. Probably more people interested in coaching the team if we do get crushed vs. if we make it out of the group (would be more upside). A ton of things going in the right direction for U.S. soccer going forward - momentum, MLS, demographics, youth talent, youth coaching, youth organization, country wealth, etc. It's a pretty good gig. Fairly easy to qualify for the WC, get to live in the U.S., only a few jackasses on message boards like this calling for your head vs. mass media scrutiny in other countries, etc.

Lilshmike
Post #17
Tuesday April 8, 2014 9:38pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 511
Original post from TheTruth

A lot of horseshit here as is often the case. First, Klinsmann loves living in SoCal so he ain't going nowhere. OK, maybe he moves into a different role if we go pointless. Second, even if we are routed in the WC there would be a ton of guys lining up to coach the team. Probably more people interested in coaching the team if we do get crushed vs. if we make it out of the group (would be more upside). A ton of things going in the right direction for U.S. soccer going forward - momentum, MLS, demographics, youth talent, youth coaching, youth organization, country wealth, etc. It's a pretty good gig. Fairly easy to qualify for the WC, get to live in the U.S., only a few jackasses on message boards like this calling for your head vs. mass media scrutiny in other countries, etc.


I agree 100% with everything you just said (especially the part about jackasses calling for his head) except for one thing... coaches lining up for the USMNT.

Most managers in world football would consider this job as a step down, regardless of whether we make it to the knockout stage or bomb out of the group. The majority of managers that would be lining up to take over the national team would be a step down in terms of managerial ability.

Yea, MAYBE we could land a coach that is of equal caliber of Klinsmann. But that would be a difficult thing to do for the USSF... especially considering their budget. If we wanted a good manager, we would have to dish out a lot of cash. The USSF doesn't exactly have the luxury of spending big like that. At the end of the day its business. It all comes down to dollars and cents.

admsghs27
Post #18
Tuesday April 8, 2014 10:33pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 3,295
If somehow klinsmann gets fired or quits, the coach I would like to have is Marcelo bielsa but I doubt it. He is about to go with Marseille. But I do agree an American coach has to be a must. If you look at all the power houses world wide their coaches are from their country.

Lilshmike
Post #19
Tuesday April 8, 2014 10:52pm

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 511
Original post from admsghs27

If somehow klinsmann gets fired or quits, the coach I would like to have is Marcelo bielsa but I doubt it. He is about to go with Marseille. But I do agree an American coach has to be a must. If you look at all the power houses world wide their coaches are from their country.


The problem is that we don't have any coaches who are experienced enough to take the USMNT to the next level.

Give it time tho. Mark my words. Brad Friedel.

AVFC
Post #20
Wednesday April 9, 2014 2:50am

Joined May 2013
Total Posts: 52
Original post from Lilshmike

The problem is that we don't have any coaches who are experienced enough to take the USMNT to the next level.

Give it time tho. Mark my words. Brad Friedel.


That's the most insightful thing I've heard here for a long time! I expect that we will see really grand things from Friedel in the next 10 to 15 years.

hamsamwich
Post #21
Wednesday April 9, 2014 11:00am

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 592
Bielsa is a good shout. I like that guy that built AZ and got Jozy playing well, Verbeek. Andy Herzog also a good name, and he is already a built-in successor, Joachim Low-style. But I was under the impression Tab Ramos will be our next coach in the near future (although in Dolcem's scenario I could see a coach in 2014-18 first)

kjperuch
Post #22
Wednesday April 9, 2014 12:52pm

Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts: 129
Original post from navi8132

I hate coaches who "don't take crap from anybody." Why is an aggressive personality a positive motivator? It sure as hell never has been for me or anyone I personally know.

Ha Ha Ha... Do you watch Sports? The best coaches of all time were those who
"Dont take crap from anybody." Bear Bryant, Bob Knight, John Wooden, Vince Lombardi, Jose Morinho, Bobby Cox, Joe Torre etc... I could go on but the fact is that these men didn't give a crap about the players excuses or trying to make them feel special. These men stick to their guns. They screwed outside opinion and won.

This Is why I like Bielsa as a coach because he has all the traits of the above I mentioned. Lets be honest and say that Klinsman has yet to show us he has any balls and stick to his guns about anything he says or does.

dolcem
Post #23
Wednesday April 9, 2014 11:28pm

Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts: 1,045
Come on guys, we need more answers. There are people on this board who have racked up hundreds of posts bitching about Klinsmann...you can't constantly complain about the coach without offering your idea of a replacement. Navi, rain, richie, etc. need to post their picks.

Bielsa is heading to Marseille. To be honest, I don't know if he would've considered us anyway...this was Barcelona's first choice last summer. Playing in CONCACAF is undesirable for a top-level manager. There aren't enough competitive games and tournaments and it's so far removed from the elite footballing world. You never see top managers go to Africa or Asia either (Hiddink is an exception and would be a dream hire but it's not going to happen). Sven went to Mexico but he's a total mercenary.

I'd love to see van Marwijk or Bianchi but I don't see the USSF being able to pull it off. Anyway, the public will be strongly in favor of an American manager, so that means Vermes. Huge bummer...he's a very defensive coach and we don't want to move in this direction. We are dealing with European caliber players (even if some move home for the paycheck) so why don't we use a European caliber coach? Someone used to managing players at that level? Someone who has actually managed or played against opponents as strong as Portugal and Germany? Someone who wants to take American soccer forward rather than simply continue with the previous status quo?

Original post from Chrisou101

I think Hertzog is pretty experienced, he was coach of the Austrian youth and senior team. To be fair Bob Bradley was inexperienced as well but he did wonders for the US team.


He was a caretaker manager for the Austrian NT for a few games in '05 and was in charge of their U-21's. Other than that he always was an assistant. Coach Bob did a good job but I certainly wouldn't say he did "wonders." We always got the results we needed and those three halves during the Confederations Cup were incredible but that's about it.

Original post from Lilshmike

If I could have a choice of a new manager, WHO WAS REALISTIC TO GET, I would go with Michael Laudrup.


Laudrup is on a trajectory to manage a top-tier European team (at least that's his goal)...he was being considered by Real Madrid at one point. It makes sense for him to stay in Europe rather than go out and manage a CONCACAF team (far away from media attention and European competitions and players). And if he failed here? It'd be a resume killer. I'd love to see it but I don't think it's a possibility.

Original post from Live490

Bielsa, Martinez, or Lavolpe..


Would love La Volpe but the US media would hate him (I mean the dude chain smokes during games). And he coached Mexico.

Original post from navi8132

Germany would never want him again. There is still plenty of negative opinion on him there (coaching wise).


Klinsmann is well-respected by most in Germany, particularly for his vision for the German NT that laid the foundation of where they are today. He's not exactly considered a world class manager but I'd say his resume and reputation dwarfs that of Peter Vermes. Of course he wouldn't return to Germany, national team managers almost never coach twice. And they could do better...this is Germany we're talking about here.

Original post from TheTruth

A lot of horseshit here as is often the case. First, Klinsmann loves living in SoCal so he ain't going nowhere. OK, maybe he moves into a different role if we go pointless. Second, even if we are routed in the WC there would be a ton of guys lining up to coach the team. Probably more people interested in coaching the team if we do get crushed vs. if we make it out of the group (would be more upside). A ton of things going in the right direction for U.S. soccer going forward - momentum, MLS, demographics, youth talent, youth coaching, youth organization, country wealth, etc. It's a pretty good gig. Fairly easy to qualify for the WC, get to live in the U.S., only a few jackasses on message boards like this calling for your head vs. mass media scrutiny in other countries, etc.


First of all, the amount of pressure from the public will be insane. This World Cup could triple the ratings from the last one. Most of these viewers don't know anything about soccer and can't accept losing, especially when the coach is a foreigner. Second, we do not have coaches lining up for us...the US is not a good place to coach. There aren't any high level tournaments or opponents other than Mexico. It's completely removed from the center of the footballing world, including the media (as a manager you want your name in the news, this is how you get jobs). You never see top European managers leave Europe unless tons of money are thrown at them (which we don't have) or they're eccentric and want to build a project (like Hiddink, and there are hardly any of those). Everyone there is trying to build their career and move to a better team...going to the US will not help. You have four years with nothing with which to pad your resume (the Gold Cup isn't exactly prestigious) and then the World Cup...what if you do poorly? You'd be screwed.
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Lilshmike
Post #24
Thursday April 10, 2014 3:21am

Joined Oct 2012
Total Posts: 511
Original post from dolcem

Laudrup is on a trajectory to manage a top-tier European team (at least that's his goal)...he was being considered by Real Madrid at one point. It makes sense for him to stay in Europe rather than go out and manage a CONCACAF team (far away from media attention and European competitions and players). And if he failed here? It'd be a resume killer. I'd love to see it but I don't think it's a possibility...


Agreed, Laudrup is on a trajectory to get to a top tier European team. With what he did at Swansea, with the VERY limited resources they had, is incredible.

I think he is realistic because we could get him BEFORE that happened for the same amount that we are currently paying Klinsmann. And if we were to get a new manager, they would not want a pay cut from the guy before them. So no matter who would be next, we would have to pay them roughly the same that we are currently paying Klinsmann. We could get Laudrup, BEFORE he hits a big time European team, for that amount.

Again, its all about money. And as long as the USA did not bomb under his watch, he would be fine. He is not American, so the battle for finding a job after the USA would not be as difficult for him. Not to mention, he was one of the greatest players of all time. That helps too.

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